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Old 02-20-2018, 01:40 PM   #1
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Default UK Blu-ray anime releases with “Japanese quality”

Japanese and Aniplex of America releases are very expensive, so it’s very nice when a UK release comes out that matches them in video quality. Those that we know of are:

Durarara (season 1 only)
Baccano
Blue Exorcist (perhaps not a clone, but seems to be “Japanese quality” nonetheless)
Outlaw Star

Maybe:

Erased

I actually made this thread for a very selfish reason, and that is to obtain help in figuring out if the last two titles from Manga UK, who did the original Blue Exorcist release, would happen to also be of “Japanese quality” The first volume, containing six episodes of Kyoto Saga, is listed as having two discs on Amazon UK. I know the release is a month off, but it doesn’t hurt to be prepared This thread should, of course, also serve as a reference point when people ask if any English-friendly region B releases are as good as AoA or the Japanese release. This means no Dynit talk, I’m afraid, as these are obviously not English-friendly. It doesn’t really matter where the release is from; as long as it is English-friendly and significantly less expensive than JP or AoA.

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This thread is not for discussing whether or not this difference in video quality matters. It does to many of us. If it doesn’t matter to you, then there are dozens of other cool threads on this sub-forum to participate in. This thread is not for “opinions”; we will use correctly grabbed screenshots and disc stats (always the latter) to determine whether these releases are in fact on par with Japanese or AoA quality. Or maybe, as was the case with Outlaw Star, word from the publisher. Furthermore, there shall be no discussion on the issue of Japanese or AoA Blu-ray prices; only so far as to compare them to the cheaper region usually B releases this thread is about.

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Speaking of Aniplex I can provide the MediaInfo for some Aniplex titles from @anime Ltd.
I don't know if they where published elsewhere, sorry if they did.

Anthem of the Heart :

[Show spoiler]General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 31.3 GiB
Duration : 1h 59mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 37.5 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 59mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Nominal bit rate : 30.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 31.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.603
Writing library : x264 core 146 r2538 121396c
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=1 / weightp=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=24 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=30000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=31000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / nal_hrd=vbr / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 1h 59mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Muxing mode : Blu-ray
Codec ID : 128
Duration : 1h 59mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 1.92 GiB (6%)

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 1h 59mn
Delay relative to video : 17s 560ms


Kill la Kill :

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General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 6.10 GiB
Duration : 24mn 38s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 24mn 12s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 35.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 24mn 12s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 24mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 24mn 7s
Delay relative to video : 3s 838ms

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144


Your Lie in April :

[Show spoiler]General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 7.18 GiB
Duration : 22mn 53s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 44.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 38.3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 39.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.770
Stream size : 6.12 GiB (85%)

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Muxing mode : Blu-ray
Codec ID : 128
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 377 MiB (5%)

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Muxing mode : Blu-ray
Codec ID : 128
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 377 MiB (5%)

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 31.4 MiB (0%)

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144


Expelled from Paradise :

[Show spoiler]General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 21.8 GiB
Duration : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 30.1 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 30.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 960 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 960 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 960 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144

Text #3
ID : 4610 (0x1202)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144


No need to post the Baccano! MediaInfo I think.
Erased soon ~
If someone have the Aniplex (jp or AoA) mediainfo's to compare, I don't.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:54 PM   #3
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Pretty sure Erased Part 1 and Your Lie in April Part 1 are just Aniplex's video masters on two discs without the spanish subs. BDinfo's both looked pretty healthy (I own Erased, but I saw YLiA's posted somewhere way back) and both were authored by Madman. The gamma/encoding isn't screwed for the former either, whereas it would've been if Madman had encoded it. It's an extremely easy way to tell whether an encoding job is theirs or not.


The following titles DON'T use Aniplex's masters, but I'll list for anyone interested who handled them:

Aldnoah.Zero (Hanabee)
Charlotte (Justin)
Durarara x2 Sho (Justin), Ten/Ketsu (Siren Visual)
Expelled From Paradise (@Anime)
Gurren Lagann (UK Company)
Kill La Kill (UK Company)
Persona 3 Movies (Justin)
Samurai Flamenco (@Anime)
Sword Art Online II (Madman)
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Old 02-21-2018, 08:42 PM   #4
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It’s the first I’ve heard of YLIA being a clone, but I’m open to seeing the evidence
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:56 PM   #5
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Would Wolf's Rain count since Anime Limited and the Japanese (so I've heard) release use the same master version created by Funimation?
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No, cause Japan don't have any HD master to begin with.
The upscaling was done by Funimation, there's no Blu-Ray edition/HD Master in Japan right now.
Maybe later, Like death Note, Viz upscaled the serie, then Later Japan did the same, but with Q-tec in charge of the upscale if i'm not mistaken.
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Ok. But it still meets the thread's title/qualifications: the quality of the UK and JP releases would theoretically be identical
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:38 PM   #8
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No, it does not.
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Old 02-23-2018, 07:51 PM   #9
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Ok. But it still meets the thread's title/qualifications: the quality of the UK and JP releases would theoretically be identical
No because since Japan did not re-mastered or upscaled this serie comparaisons are not possible.

If they decide to do that it could end in :
1 - Better Video/audio quality than Funimation HD edtion.
2 - Worse video/audio quality than funimation (Q-tec studio is know for often doing shit upscale)

Also remember that one of the worst upscaling in history was done by Funimation via Spice & Wold s1.
The HD Master in Japan is waaaaaaaay better than the poor US upscaling.

Anyway I don't think Wolf's Rain will ever get properly upscaled/re-mastered in HD in Japan.
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No, it does not.
Perhaps you should make a more specific list of qualifications then
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We’re obviously talking Blu-ray-only and there obviously has to be an AoA or Japanese original to compare to.
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Got my Erased vol 1 from @anime Ltd today.
Here some screenshots, and the Mediainfo.
In short : A very strong UK release, basicaly a clone of Aniplex (AoA) even if it was authored by someone else.
And of course waaay cheaper than AoA, ~ 50$ UK / ~ 90$ AoA.

Screenshots UK (I have taken the same screens as Sensuifu from Fandompost) : https://imgur.com/a/AITW2
Screenshots US (Sensuifu) : https://imgur.com/a/0OXfL

Comparo : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/133413

Mediainfo :

[Show spoiler]General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : F:\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 6.01 GiB
Duration : 22mn 52s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 37.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 31.3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 39.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.630
Stream size : 5.00 GiB (83%)

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Muxing mode : Blu-ray
Codec ID : 128
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 377 MiB (6%)

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Muxing mode : Blu-ray
Codec ID : 128
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Stream size : 377 MiB (6%)

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 22mn 52s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 31.4 MiB (1%)

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Delay relative to video : 12s 637ms

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BASICALLY a clone? Hmm. If both volumes were £20 I'd buy. I guess it comes down to whether it has proper brightness and such.
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If both volumes were £20 I'd buy.
JB HI FI in Australia has a 20% off sale on everything, and Erased Vol. 1 is about $20USD. Not sure if they’re the same disc, but it might be worth the shot.

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-...lume-1/456588/
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:37 AM   #15
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We can definitively strike Occultic;Nine from the hopeful list as it's just under 13GB on the first BD25. I guess two BD25's are that much cheaper than one BD50 that this makes sense financially?

As for Blue Exorcist: Kyoto Saga, results are conflicting, as referred to in this post. Watching the episodes on my Oppo, the bitrate seems to hover just over 30, with occasional spikes in both directions. Not the typical 40-ish for a Japanese/Aniplex of America disc. But it does look nice enough.

Because money, I think I'll just stick with these UK releases for both upcoming volumes They're seriously less than half price, compared to AoA.
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We can definitively strike Occultic;Nine from the hopeful list as it's just under 13GB on the first BD25. I guess two BD25's are that much cheaper than one BD50 that this makes sense financially?

As for Blue Exorcist: Kyoto Saga, results are conflicting, as referred to in this post. Watching the episodes on my Oppo, the bitrate seems to hover just over 30, with occasional spikes in both directions. Not the typical 40-ish for a Japanese/Aniplex of America disc. But it does look nice enough.

Because money, I think I'll just stick with these UK releases for both upcoming volumes They're seriously less than half price, compared to AoA.
Shame about Occultic;Nine but it's hard to resist the price, I paid £16.24 for vol 1.
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Is the Toradora UK release any good?
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:34 PM   #18
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It’s the same mess that was released in the US. But much cheaper.

This doesn’t belong in this thread though
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Was the old school Berserk released in Japan? I know France and the UK have a blu ray.
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Yeah, it was.
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