Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So what are you trying to say, that Amazon, Netflix, and Streaming Providers like Vudu are taking over?

Vilya has addressed the SVOD providers and that is where the streaming action is. Sites like Vudu will hardly show up on the radar. Click here for the 2018 Sandvine report.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m sure he meant displays as in tv screens.

As to that link, it’s of course evidence that our younger society are moving away from traditional tv. They ain’t watching Youtube on their family tv, that’s for sure. 1 hour is quite a chunk of time. Now, adding to that, we have the problem of live sport. Youngsters seem to prefer watching brief goal clips on social media feeds rather than the big tv. I remember several years ago, people made live sport one of the big reasons by tv viewing wouldn’t die in this very forum. We now see a trend where the upcoming generation will make a mockery of that claim. Those massive numbers for the Super Bowl and such will continue taking a dramatic fall over the upcoming years.

What do I know though? I’m s paranoid mentalist who lives in fear.

Are you becoming self aware? I'm so proud of you!

All that article shows is that young people stream as one option among many when viewing content. When you watch content from several different sources the time spent with any one of them will vary.

When it comes to sports, I have been watching just clips and highlights for years; it does not mean that I "prefer" streaming or short length content; it means I don't want to spend four hours to watch a game. I added streaming to my viewing regimen many years ago; it is just another option and it will never be the only option.

As the article that I pointed out states, pay TV subscribers are expected to increase in number thru 2024 at least. These new subscribers may not be watching TV programming as much as their grandparents did (there are far more options now than they had back in the so-called good 'ol days), but this projected increase shows that interest in pay TV remains strong. Streaming's $22.6 billion in revenue is not even in the same ballpark as pay TVs $205 billion.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sadly millions are not as that article suggests.

The article only states that they are streaming more. It does not say that they are streaming exclusively. You always leap to the worst conclusion.

I'm streaming more lately, too. By your peculiar reasoning that means that I will stop buying discs and that ain't ever gonna happen while I yet live. I buy as much now as ever and many of my purchases were inspired by what I had streamed.

[The_Donster]

And don’t forget, reduce your viewing to your phone screen and resolution Vilya

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

And don’t forget, reduce your viewing to your phone screen and resolution Vilya

I better start shopping for a new phone then as mine is an antique. My smartphone still has rotary dialing and it partially blocks the screen.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I better start shopping for a new phone, too, as mine is an antique. My smartphone still has rotary dialing and it partially blocks the screen.

Yeah, I’m going to miss my iPhone most of all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The article only states that they are streaming more. It does not say that they are streaming exclusively. You always leap to the worst conclusion.

I'm streaming more lately, too. By your peculiar reasoning that means that I will stop buying discs and that ain't ever gonna happen while I yet live. I buy as much now as ever and many of my purchases were inspired by what I had streamed.

Yes, but the significant factor was the increased viewing time of Youtube. That was some jump to 1 hour. There is no way that viewing is on TV sets, not in that age group. Absolutely no way.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

And don’t forget, reduce your viewing to your phone screen and resolution Vilya

Yep, best get used to it now. Oh and vertical video that can also be watched horizontally. It’s all coming.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

We are seeing a lot of catalog titles getting released not only on blu-ray, but also on 4K. It is fantastic news and it bodes well for the 4K disc format and physical media overall. More releases demonstrate that the studios still see physical media as an important part of their overall business strategy.

don't you know how it works? if few catalogue titles are released on a physical format it shows that studios don't have confidence in it and proves it is doomed. If too many catalogue titles are being released on a physical format that shows that studios think it is doomed and so they are trying to get as much cash out of it before it dies

Those of us that want the best in quality are being well served with all of these exciting new disc release announcements. The convenience minded can have their cheap over compressed streaming; I will be enjoying my favorite films with the best presentation possible on 4K disc and on blu-ray.

could not have said it better myself

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

There is something for everybody. For those who strive for quality there is physical media, for those who go for quantity there is streaming.

I would not say quantity but value (to be nice, cheaper if someone wants to be mean)

With physical media there are more titles and better quality then streaming but streaming rentals is less expensive and the difference is not negligible

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, best get used to it now. Oh and vertical video that can also be watched horizontally. It’s all coming.

I am glad to know that I will retain the freedom to hold my phone however I so choose.

How is it all "coming" when watching videos on a phone has been happening for well over a decade?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am glad to know that I will retain the freedom to hold my phone however I so choose.

How is it all "coming" when watching videos on a phone has been happening for well over a decade?

You will find out within the next year.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, but the significant factor was the increased viewing time of Youtube. That was some jump to 1 hour. There is no way that viewing is on TV sets, not in that age group. Absolutely no way.

Because launching the pre-installed YouTube app is harder than launching the pre-installed Netflix app on a TV?

My viewing time at Youtube has increased, too, so what? I watch Youtube on multiple devices, not one to the exclusion of all others. Not everyone thinks as rigidly or as fearfully as you do.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like Sapiendut said, the Studios don't like making the Quality of Movies like the Original because of Piracy.

I don't know if that is true or not but it is stupid either way. If that argument made sense there would be no pirating today. A studio has nothing to lose with higher quality.

So I think 4K is the last Disc, and they will just keep compressing it onto that Format.

Personally I think studios have something to gain with newer better formats there films I bought on tape, DVD, BD and UHD BD. Better formats is the easiest way to get me to dish out more money on the same movie again.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You will find out within the next year.

The only thing that I will "find out" is that you are still wrong as you have been all along. Next year will be your 10th anniversary of being wrong; you should plan an event to celebrate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The only thing that I will "find out" is that you are still wrong as you have been all along. Next year will be your 10th anniversary of being wrong; you should plan an event to celebrate.

How can you be wrong about something that will take time to develop? Not possible. It takes a generation to reach working age really to see the shift.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How can you be wrong about something that will take time to develop? Not possible. It takes a generation to reach working age really to see the shift.

Yes, we already know that you can never be wrong because you just keep moving the date ahead for your absurd predictions (when you even specify one at all) after each year that passes with none of your goofy predictions having come true. You are no more correct than the loons who have been carrying those "The End Is Nigh" signs year after year. Every generation has had them. What, the world hasn't ended yet? There's always tomorrow!

You are doing the exact same thing as those that predict the death of physical media; when it fails to happen year after year, they just repeat that it will happen "soon", that it takes time for a product to die, blah blah blah . You behave exactly the same as they do with your ever open-ended apocalyptic "revelations."

I predict that someday I will win the lottery grand prize; I can not be wrong, either, until I run out of "somedays."

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Again, why does it have to be this or that with you acolytes of preferred media

Can't talk for anyone else but for me it is like Marshall McLuhan said "The medium is the message"
for me the story, the acting, the score , the visuals, the image quality , the audio quality are all equal parts of the whole. And that means watching it on a lesser media compromises the experience of the content. It is as simple as that. Now if that better media is a disk or a tape or a cylinder..... I don't really care because that is not what I am trying to enjoy.

Don't get me wrong, I get that for many they don't care and it is all about having an excuse to sit on their couch or spend time with a loved one. But it is not fundamentally who I am. I get that for some it might be economics (renting is cheaper) but I can afford it and to me this is a simple pleasure that I don't mind spending for quality.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Blind buys have rarely worked out for me. Before I purchase, I have saw a title in the theater, rented via LaserDisc, βetamax, DVD or Blu-ray and in a few cases PPV via DirecTV or Dish when I had those. Have had Netflix disc by mail for a very long time so no need to rent via streaming in the US.

in the end what's really the difference? spend 2h to watch a copy you bought or spend 2h to watch a copy you got some other way? If I buy something and I don't like I spent a bit more than you, if you rent something and liked it you spent a bit more than me.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Curious for us “Disc People” as we have been labeled, what is the most copies of a certain title you own? I am in the process of upgrading the projector and lens in my room to 4K, so have been double dipping and triple dipping a lot lately. It caused me to look at my entire collection to answer this question myself and found a half dozen where I have it on Laser Disc, dvd, Blu-ray, and UHD. I never bought any VHS other than some concerts, so I am up to quadruple dipping. I think the over under is 6 for a couple of folks on this thread. I am sure there are folks who stream as well as buy discs who may be in the same position.

I have no idea but if your number is 4 then I can console you by saying I am sure it is minor league with some (me included) on this forum. With different editions and fancy packages (I used to like toys but eventually asked myself "why?") there are some I have at least a dozen times.