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Old 03-14-2018, 04:07 PM   #41
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Now there is a UHD/BD combo for Innocence, as well as a separate remastered Blu-ray, and yet, there is no separate remastered Blu-ray for the original film, yet:



Surely they won't have remastered Innocence and not remastered Ghost in the Shell...

EDIT: It must be a collaborative release. Innocence is still a Disney Japan release:

http://www.disney.co.jp/studio/news/20180313_01.html

This also helps to explain the differences between encoding, and why Innocence has newly-designed audio mixes, like DTS:X and DTS Headphone:X. Note also that Disney is making the DTS:X track exclusive to the UHD BD disc, while the remastered Blu-ray Discs will have the Japanese: DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 track, like the Absolute Edition Blu-ray.

I guess that means it's down to Bandai to remaster Ghost in the Shell only, and that Disney Japan took care of remastering Innocence, and then the two companies agreed to put their UHD discs in a box set together.

This is getting a little bit strange...
It's not totally strange, it comes down to how each Production Committee for the films is formed. Happens all the time in Japan. Because of Ghibli's involvement in the second film, Disney ended up getting the distribution rights in Japan (despite Bandai being involved as well). In the first film's case, Bandai has the distribution rights in Japan. Guess they decided to collaborate on this one.
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It's not totally strange, it comes down to how each Production Committee for the films is formed. Happens all the time in Japan. Because of Ghibli's involvement in the second film, Disney ended up getting the distribution rights in Japan (despite Bandai being involved as well). In the first film's case, Bandai has the distribution rights in Japan. Guess they decided to collaborate on this one.
And we all benefit.

Though it appears the second movie doesn't have an English dub while the first does, so that's a bummer. I love watching with a dub and subtitles because there's always differences (subtitles tend to be more clinical while dubs can help smooth things over but both are rarely perfect) and you can usually gleam a better meaning using both.
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:27 PM   #43
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And we all benefit.

Though it appears the second movie doesn't have an English dub while the first does, so that's a bummer. I love watching with a dub and subtitles because there's always differences (subtitles tend to be more clinical while dubs can help smooth things over but both are rarely perfect) and you can usually gleam a better meaning using both.
I don't think either of the discs have dubs, no? Or are you asking in general, because Innocence has 2 dubs. Shame that Japan decicded not to include them.
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And we all benefit.

Though it appears the second movie doesn't have an English dub while the first does, so that's a bummer. I love watching with a dub and subtitles because there's always differences (subtitles tend to be more clinical while dubs can help smooth things over but both are rarely perfect) and you can usually gleam a better meaning using both.
The jury is still out on the dub. I assume that it's there because it has been on the Japanese Blu-ray releases, but Bandai hasn't actually specified the audio language(s), just the audio codec (LPCM 2.0 Dolby Surround) and the subtitle languages (Japanese, English).
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:30 PM   #45
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I have often been tempted by the JP BD because of the more correct subs and no letterbox. I will have to pick this up.
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:35 PM   #46
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And we all benefit.

Though it appears the second movie doesn't have an English dub while the first does, so that's a bummer. I love watching with a dub and subtitles because there's always differences (subtitles tend to be more clinical while dubs can help smooth things over but both are rarely perfect) and you can usually gleam a better meaning using both.
Eh, I'm aware that subs can often render down the dialogue into quite clipped explanations but there's something about having the original language and thus the original performance which helps to underscore the words with more emotional impact. I can't even remember what the Major or Batou sound like in the dubs for this series of films & shows, it's been that long since I bothered with the dub.

I'll keep an eye out for these on YesAsia, if it ends up as 80 for both on there then I'll take that. The JPN Blu for Innocence cost me 45 so anything on par or less than that for the UHD sounds good to me.
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:36 PM   #47
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The jury is still out on the dub. I assume that it's there because it has been on the Japanese Blu-ray releases, but Bandai hasn't actually specified the audio language(s), just the audio codec (LPCM 2.0 Dolby Surround) and the subtitle languages (Japanese, English).
Awww...

To be honest I've seen these movies enough times that I don't need a dub or even subs so it isn't a big problem, but it'd certainly be a bummer.
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Surely they won't have remastered Innocence and not remastered Ghost in the Shell...
Now this is very interesting, with the first film finished in HD digital back in 1995 and second one digitally finished in 2K, these 4K remasters will very likely being rescan the original film which those digital images printed on, right? So though the original information was limited, there should be some improvements...
(This reminded me of Ichi the Killer, originally finished in HD then printed to 35mm, the new 4K restoration was done from that 35mm film rather than original 16mm negatives...)
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Old 03-14-2018, 05:31 PM   #49
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Will wait for reviews since I have the "expensive" and unwatched new JP blu-ray of gits and the old "expensive" absolute edition of innocence. Right now the DTS:X on Innocence is very tempting since I like the second movie more but need to know how both are on PQ
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The second film is much more talkative, so not having the dub is a bummer.

Disney remastered the second film? They usually output top quality transfers.
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I just noticed that the Disney press release claims that Ghost in the Shell has only the one Japanese audio track. I'm going to remove the English dub track from our listing unless and until we get more definitive confirmation from Bandai that it is indeed on the disc.

Sorry for any confusion.
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The dubs for these films are not very good (especially the first one--even Oshii has complained about how the English voice actors don't emote), and the heavy philosophical musings and literary quotes in the second sound pretty silly spoken aloud in English. Original language is the only way to go for these, IMO.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:23 PM   #53
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I don't understand the original.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:01 AM   #54
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Should be illegal to watch foreign movies with dubs

#original language and subs is how u do it
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:19 AM   #55
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Subs are also criticized for not being accurate.
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:01 AM   #56
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Talking about subs and dubs we have Hayao Miyazaki:

Disney releases Miyazaki films in two formats: a subtitled version for the purists and a dubbed extravaganza for the popcorn crowd. Howl's Moving Castle is no exception. It features the voice of Billy Crystal as the obstreperous fire demon and Lauren Bacall as the Witch of the Wastes. This is fine, says Miyazaki, because Bacall is "a fabulous woman" who brought something to the role that home-grown actors couldn't. "All the Japanese female voice actors have voices that are very coquettish and wanting male attention, which was not what we wanted at all."

In any case, he adds, who is to say that a subtitled print is any more authentic? "When you watch the subtitled version you are probably missing just as many things. There is a layer and a nuance you're not going to get. Film crosses so many borders these days. Of course it is going to be distorted."

https://www.theguardian.com/film/200...wardsandprizes

Looking forward to Ghost in the Shell 4KUHD!
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I refuse to watch Cyber City OEDO 808 in anything but Manga dub. I think it's genius work, lol.

I can't really judge dub of '95, because I'm not a native speaker, but in terms of actual acting, I think it sounds OK. Not great, but serviceable. The sequel was dubbed better.

On the side note, man, so much sci-fi/cyberpunk goodness in the past year. From cheap shit like GitS '17 to BR and BR49, to The Matrix and now Oshii films.
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Subs are also criticized for not being accurate.
Not on the Japanese releases. Those subs are fine.
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Old 03-15-2018, 04:05 AM   #59
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I didn't think this topic would go to subs vs dubs, but here we are. I like the dubs for both of these. Akio Otshuka is great, but Richard Epcar's voice will always be Batou for me. William Knight as Aramaki is I think far superior to his Japanese counterpart. I enjoy both audio tracks, if they were to both end up on these discs, everybody wins, but since they're seemingly not here, I'll be holding onto my old Blu's for those.
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Old 03-16-2018, 03:37 AM   #60
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When the subs say "they're molesting each other" and the dubs say "they're horseplaying" it's good to have both, tbh. (This is more of an example from the Stand Alone Complex show, though.)

I wonder how the original will look; IIRC it's fairly muted on Blu-ray.
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