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View Poll Results: Do Macintosh make the best Amos
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:34 PM   #1
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The best amps out there are mcintosh they kill ervryone my older brother has one and wow and tech specs are top notch

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Old 06-25-2008, 05:36 PM   #2
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The best amps out there are mcintosh they kill ervryone my older brother has one and wow and tech specs are top notch
Too many good amps to name. McIntosh, Krell, Mark Levinson, Pass, the list goes on. Amps should be mated to speakers to form a "system".
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:37 PM   #3
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The proof is in the sound, not the specs. McIntosh makes good stuff, but VAC makes the best amps I've heard.

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Old 06-25-2008, 05:40 PM   #4
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The proof is in the sound, not the specs. MacIntosh makes good stuff, but I believe VAC makes the finest amps in the world.
VAC is another good one
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:24 PM   #5
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The proof is in the sound, not the specs. McIntosh makes good stuff, but VAC makes the best amps I've heard.
Agreed, though VAC makes only valve amps and I've not yet heard the Einsteins.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:39 PM   #6
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Too many good amps to name. McIntosh, Krell, Mark Levinson, Pass, the list goes on. Amps should be mated to speakers to form a "system".
+1000 Some speakers and amp combos work great together, while some combos don't really mesh at all. Spec sheets don't really reveal a components true nature at all. That is why it's always critical to audition speakers and the amps you're going to use together.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:44 PM   #7
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Yes, tube amplification, it gets no better than that.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:00 PM   #8
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it's not a question with an objective answer.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:20 PM   #9
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it's not a question with an objective answer.
True. Otherwise all our answers should be the same.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:45 PM   #10
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Wow, VAC makes gorgeous amps.

I've been researching the best 5 channel amp for under $4,000. So far my research has pointed me to Rotel, Gemstone, Parasound, Sherbourn, and Sunfire. Recommendations anyone?

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Old 06-26-2008, 08:57 AM   #11
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The best amps out there are mcintosh they kill ervryone my older brother has one and wow and tech specs are top notch
I've been trying to figure out the correlation between specs, measurements, performance and quality for as long as I can remember, and I've come to one conclusion.

Once you get beyond a very basic level of quality, there is no correlation. And this is especially the case with amplifiers. At the higher levels, if anything, it's an inverse relationship.

Valve amps can sound lovely, but their specs and measurements are terrible.

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Old 06-26-2008, 02:33 PM   #12
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I've been trying to figure out the correlation between specs, measurements, performance and quality for as long as I can remember, and I've come to one conclusion.

Once you get beyond a very basic level of quality, there is no correlation. And this is especially the case with amplifiers. At the higher levels, if anything, it's an inverse relationship.

Valve amps can sound lovely, but their specs and measurements are terrible.

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Old 06-26-2008, 02:59 PM   #13
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No offense to the OP, but Mac (and TONS of other manufacturers) are not the same company they used to be.

There are too many good amp manufacturers out there to count.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:40 PM   #14
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Valve amps can sound lovely, but their specs and measurements are terrible
I do love my euphonic distortion!
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:39 PM   #15
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VAC's Kevin Hayes is a wonderful resource for the science of tubes. He's been published in Scientific American and elsewhere. This is a cool explanation of tubes vs transistors on VAC's website.

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What accounts for the tube's ability to survive and dominate the modern high end audio world? Many would say that it is because the tube produces a pleasant distortion. However this is just not the case. A well designed tube amplifier can produce vanishingly low levels of measured distortion (.01% and less is easily obtainable in preamplifiers) and extremely wide frequency response. The small amount of distortion produced in a tube circuit is mostly second harmonic, which is the type most easily disregarded by the ear.

For those who feel that the transistor represents better objective science, consider this. Both the tube and the transistor have parameters known as stray capacitance. That is, just by physically existing there is unwanted capacitive coupling between various elements of the devices (ex: plate to grid, collector to base). These can not be avoided. In essence there are several small capacitors contained in each tube or transistor.

In the vacuum tube the dielectric for the stray capacitances is nothing, a vacuum. This is the finest dielectric known, having far and away the lowest losses and least dielectric absorption (the way in which capacitors color the sound by reradiating stored energy).

In the transistor the dielectric is silicon, germanium, etc. In other words, using each transistor is essentially as bad as sprinkling a few ceramic capacitors in the circuit. Given a choice, no audiophile would allow even polyester caps in the audio signal path, let alone ceramics. Add to this the fact that transistor design typically uses 200% to 500% more active devices than tube circuits do and it becomes readily apparent why transistor amplifiers display strange subjective characteristics, particularly at mid and high frequencies.
http://vac-amps.com/tubes_transistors_science.html

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Old 06-27-2008, 09:34 AM   #16
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Very interesting stuff. I wonder how much bearing that has on digital amplifiers, where the transistor itself does not generate the shape of the waveform?

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The best amps out there are mcintosh they kill ervryone my older brother has one and wow and tech specs are top notch

Mcintosh, Krell, Mark Levinson, Adcom, Sunfire, etc. make excellent amplifiers. However, for home theater applications, nobody builds a better or more powerful amplifier than Cinepro. Some professional theaters use them.

Cinepro 4K6 MK-4 Gold SE (6 Channels)
475 watts-8 Ohms per 6 channels
650 watts-6 Ohms
800 watts-4 Ohms
1200 watts-2 Ohms

Cinepro 3K6 MK-4 (6 Channels)
450 watts-8 Ohms
600 watts-6 Ohms
750 watts-4 Ohms
1100 watts-2 Ohms

I bought the 3K6 models at a high-end home theater show in Orange County, California. It took two people to put it in the trunk of my car. It is absolutely awesome and I wouldn't exchange it with anything else.

http://www.cinepro.com/

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Mcintosk, Krell, Mark Levinson, Adcom, Sunfire, etc. make excellent amplifiers. However, for home theater applications, nobody builds a better or more powerful amplifier than Cinepro. Some professional theaters use them.

Cinepro 4K6 MK-4 Gold SE (6 Channels)
475 watts-8 Ohms per 6 channels
650 watts-6 Ohms
800 watts-4 Ohms
1200 watts-2 Ohms

Cinepro 3K6 MK-4 (6 Channels)
450 watts-8 Ohms
600 watts-6 Ohms
750 watts-4 Ohms
1100 watts-2 Ohms

I bought the 3K6 models at a high-end home theater show in Orange County, California. It took two people to put it in the trunk of my car. It is absolutely awesome and I wouldn't exchange it with anything else.

http://www.cinepro.com/
I forgot all about Cinepro - they make killer amps for HT! I'm also looking at your sig - you have some nice vintage gear down there (Polk RTA-15's back when Polk was still in the High-End, 18 Inch woofers in the Def Tech 2000's, Carver amplification - my type of system ) Off topic - why did you go with a ML center channel and Bose 901's for the rears? (I assume you went with the 901's for their direct reflecting abilities - actually well suited for surround duties - and this is from someone who has no like for Bose, but it makes sense). But the ML? Does it stick out from the rest of the front array timbre wise?

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2 of the most highly regarded (critically acclaimed) HT amps are these:

http://www.balanced.com/ (the VK-6200)

and

http://www.simaudio.com/moontitan.htm

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2 of the most highly regarded (critically acclaimed) HT amps are these:

http://www.balanced.com/

and

http://www.simaudio.com/moontitan.htm
This is why I said there are just too many It's all good here in separates world...It's all good!!!
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