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Old 04-05-2019, 12:23 AM   #21
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If like the X700 then yes when you turn it “on” it will force Dolby vision for all discs. I don’t use mine to stream anything so cannot comment there. However with DV enabled it will flag the TV into DV mode on all 4K and standard blu-rays. If you want to watch HDR10 you have to manually turn DV off in the settings menu.
It still remains to be seen if the M2 will work like the old X700, or have a more up to date kind of function. Like Cortiz said, let’s wait to see how the new model works.
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Old 04-05-2019, 02:02 AM   #22
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It still remains to be seen if the M2 will work like the old X700, or have a more up to date kind of function. Like Cortiz said, let’s wait to see how the new model works.
I was just confirming that is how it currently works if that is in fact how the m2 will also behave. I myself am hoping the m2 functions as a true auto and even wouldn’t mind also having an option to force DV. I leave it on for all 4K discs as it seams to do a really good job faking it on HDR10 only discs.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:51 AM   #23
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I was just confirming that is how it currently works if that is in fact how the m2 will also behave. I myself am hoping the m2 functions as a true auto and even wouldn’t mind also having an option to force DV. I leave it on for all 4K discs as it seams to do a really good job faking it on HDR10 only discs.
I wonder if it does a reasonable job of Dolby Vision on 3D disks.
That said, you want a player like Apple TV 4k that detects DV and turns it on and switches back to normal mode for normal TV.
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Yes a auto Dolby Vision HDR feature would be ideal. I also only want to use Dolby Vision for native Dolby Vision material and I am not interesting in upscaling everything to artificial Dolby Vision HDR.
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I wonder if it does a reasonable job of Dolby Vision on 3D disks.
I think you have to turn off DV to be able to do 3D playback.

If that holds for the M2, I'll probably stick with the X800.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:02 PM   #26
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And it won’t do HDR10+ right?
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And it won’t do HDR10+ right?
Correct, Sony is not on board with HDR10+
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:46 PM   #28
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Correct, Sony is not on board with HDR10+
What? Really? That's really annoying. Looks like this player for DV and iTunes for HDR10+
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:15 PM   #29
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That’s just stupid for not having HDR10+ for a player released in 2019
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That’s just stupid for not having HDR10+ for a player released in 2019

There is always a possibility of a firmware update for HDR10+, but that has not been announced. HDR10+ is good for both 4K Blu-ray and streaming. While I am aware that standard HDR10 is offered by all 4K Blu-ray players, for the best in picture quality either Dolby Vision HDR or HDR10+ needs to be used.




In a ideal world one of the following two choices needs to happen

1) Someone needs to convince the studios that are currently releasing 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs with HDR10+ to stop using it and instead switch to Dolby Vision HDR. Then HDR10+ would be a non issue since studios would not be using it anymore.


2) If select studios continue to use HDR10+ instead of Dolby Vision HDR, then in a ideal world every new 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player in 2020+ that offers Dolby Vision HDR should also offer HDR10+. Also every 4K flat panel screen in 2020+ in a ideal world should support all the HDR formats including Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+.


However we do not live in a ideal world and people make the best selection that is available. The Sony UBP-X800M2 is better then the 4K Panasonic Blu-ray players because of Sony being able to play SACD and DVD-Audio disc while at the same time being offered at a cheaper price then the Panasonic. Some consumers that do not need SACD and DVD-Audio support prefer the more expensive 4K Panasonic Blu-ray players because of the HDR10+ and HDR optimizer feature.
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When is x800 Mark 2 being released?

May 2019
https://presscentre.sony.eu/pressrel...-range-2821228

September 2019
https://presscentre.sony.co.uk/press...-range-2821259
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May release in us ? I have the 800 and really like the way its built maybe im just lucky but I never had a problem with mine. My tv has dolby vision so might as well see what all the fuss is about and get the most out of it.
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May release in us ? I have the 800 and really like the way its built maybe im just lucky but I never had a problem with mine. My tv has dolby vision so might as well see what all the fuss is about and get the most out of it.
1080p to 4k (for me) minor difference, hardly notice the extra pixels.
Dolby Vision and HDR are transformative with regards to colour and depth.
But I think DV blows HDR 10 away.

I can wait till May for this player but if it is September I'm going with another player.
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However we do not live in a ideal world and people make the best selection that is available. The Sony UBP-X800M2 is better then the 4K Panasonic Blu-ray players because of Sony being able to play SACD and DVD-Audio disc while at the same time being offered at a cheaper price then the Panasonic. Some consumers that do not need SACD and DVD-Audio support prefer the more expensive 4K Panasonic Blu-ray players because of the HDR10+ and HDR optimizer feature.
Just because it plays SACD and DVDA it doesn’t make it better. It makes it more versatile. Better or worse, for a blu ray player, is determined in its bluray playback capability, not the other formats it can also play.
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For me, the things I need are;
4k
3D
Dolby Vision
HDR 10 (not + as my tv doesn't support it)
Atmos (Future proof)
HD sound
Near silent playback

I'll wait for reviews to see if it is superior to x700
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I’m pretty sure it will be superior in built quality than the 700. I had both 700 and 800. The 800 is built far better than the 700
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Just because it plays SACD and DVDA it doesn’t make it better. It makes it more versatile. Better or worse, for a blu ray player, is determined in its bluray playback capability, not the other formats it can also play.

Most 4K Blu-ray players have the exact same picture quality when all the HDR formats are supported. Bitstreaming Dolby ATMOS and DTS X sounds exactly the same on a 2006 Blu-ray player and a 2019 Blu-ray player.


Consumers with a large selection of SACD and DVD-Audio discs go with Pioneer and Sony. However in 2019 those legacy audiophile formats are less in demand and one of the reasons some companies decide not to support SACD and DVD-Audio from their Blu-ray player.
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The reality is not all BD playback created equal. This is because it’s a lossy data is being recreated. A player has to rebuild 4:4:4 out of 4:2:0 data, has to create 24fps individual frames out of 3 GOP packets.

Upscaling from HD to UHD creates a separate problem too.

That is why at the end of the day, PQ from a particular disc player is paramount.
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The reality is not all BD playback created equal. This is because it’s a lossy data is being recreated. A player has to rebuild 4:4:4 out of 4:2:0 data, has to create 24fps individual frames out of 3 GOP packets.

Upscaling from HD to UHD creates a separate problem too.

That is why at the end of the day, PQ from a particular disc player is paramount.
And Panasonic players excell at doing all this processing well. I have a Sony X-800 but have a Panasonic DP420 on the way. I've tested it on my Samsung 49" mid range set (a friend took his to my place) and the Panasonic trounces the Sony X-800.
As soon as I receive the Panasonic DP420 the Sony X-800 will be relegated to CD/SACD playing.
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The reality is not all BD playback created equal. This is because it’s a lossy data is being recreated. A player has to rebuild 4:4:4 out of 4:2:0 data, has to create 24fps individual frames out of 3 GOP packets.

Upscaling from HD to UHD creates a separate problem too.

That is why at the end of the day, PQ from a particular disc player is paramount.
For me, picture quality trumps sound, especially as I've digitized all my CD to my iPhone.
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