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Old 02-28-2017, 10:28 PM   #1
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Lg 65" 65c6p OLED for $2300 vs 86" 86uh9500 LED for $4000... What would you do? Locally I have found a brand new 86" 86uh9500 for $4000 and have been giving it serious thought... Is the super large size worth the poor contrast and blacks over the superior quality but smaller 65" OLED. (Price is low enough I could try 86" out and resell later at minimal loss I think.. And I actually already own 65c6p.. But really wanting to test out large TV)

Will be used in a dark room... Say 40% 3d bluray use, 30% 4k bd, 30% misc other 2d streaming, sports etc. I can adjust my seating from 6-11 feet.

Put even simpler, if price was the same which would you choose to spend your time watching 86" uh9500 or 65" OLED?

(Another option... I've also considered 78" 78js9500 but largely ruled it out due to active 3d... 3d is important to me... Anybody with experience find js9500 active 3d to be as good/comfortable as lg led passive 3d (such as lg uh8500/uh9500 series)? I have over 100 3d blurays.)

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Old 03-01-2017, 10:34 PM   #2
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I'd go for size personally, that's a pretty good price on the 86-incher. I ordered the 75-inch as that was the biggest within my price range.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:45 PM   #3
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That's a tough choice. I have the 75uh8500 and I passionately dislike the way local dimming is done. I think the uh9500 is mostly the same with a faster processor and a true 10 bit panel and that should have the same issue. I also was considering a 65" OLED and was leaning towards it but my wife wanted to go bigger and I promised her a bigger TV when we upgraded so we got the 75uh8500. About 99% of the time the pic is great but when movie credits roll I just feel sick.

If your current TV is 65" or smaller and you are happy with that size I would go with the OLED. I think a better performing TV is more important than size.
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Old 03-02-2017, 05:27 PM   #4
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Thanks for the responses!

Was a very good price on the 86"... I ended up waiting just a few hours and it ended up selling to someone else!... I wish I would have bought just to get it home and to do some side by side comparisons of my own. I've seen the similar 75uh8500 in Frys but they were not playing good content and wouldn't let me change or play USB content of my own so I couldn't make any good comparison (but could still tell it was a compromise compared to OLED).

I'm going to continue looking for a 86uh9500 if I can find a good deal. However, I do have a feeling I may still prefer my smaller 65" OLED as it still amazes me every time I use it.. It's a very clean clear picture. I'm just frustrated that there is no 3d OLED larger than 65" for reasonable price... 65c6p for ~$3k retail vs 77g6p ~$17-20k retail.. What a tease lol.
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Old 03-02-2017, 05:41 PM   #5
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When it comes to 3d, what is the best current 3d TV 75" or larger?

Is it correct or generally accepted to say that the 75uh8500 and 86uh9500 passive 3d tvs are the best at 3d in the 75-86" sizes? The best active 3d tvs like Sammy 78JS9500 and Sony 75x940d are tempting as they have better blacks, contrast, and overall 2d performance while still having good active 3d? But only for 3d, what's better.. Active 3d with better blacks/contrast or passive 3d with lesser PQ... Planning to watch 3d on a daily/weekly basis (I just started watching 3d in 2016 but I already have over 100 3d bluerays)? (I've heard good things about the js9500 active 3d but mixed things about the 75x940d?)

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Old 03-02-2017, 06:29 PM   #6
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The post about how the guy's wife demanded a bigger TV, cracked me up.

I have dual 3D LGs, 65" 8500 in the living room and 65" C6 in the family room.

My wife thinks I've lost my mind, my gamer son thinks I'm a genius.
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Old 03-03-2017, 03:36 PM   #7
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Haha wife wanting a bigger tv is a problem we all pray for! My wife is into martial arts, and she was getting into the movie "The Accountant" last night... So while she was enjoying the TV i took advantage of the opportunity and told her I may get her an 86" TV! She was surprisingly interested and supportive! Luckily she didn't ask about the price.. Although she did mention I should sell one of the other 4 TVs first lol
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I have dual 3D LGs, 65" 8500 in the living room and 65" C6 in the family room.
So as an owner of both the 8500 and an OLED, do you think you would still choose the 65" OLED over a 75" 8500 or even a 86" 9500??
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Old 03-03-2017, 04:16 PM   #9
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Haha wife wanting a bigger tv is a problem we all pray for!
Haha... the funny thing is I know it's a trap. OMG, I hope it's not another baby. Am I sharing too much information
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually had an 88" Samsung JS9500 about a year ago. Watching stuff on it was like being in an IMAX theater and while I was mostly impressed with it; the amount of haloing/blooming on that set was unacceptable for the amount of money I paid for it, so I returned it while still within my return period. Grabbed a 75" Sony x940D and was largely unimpressed with it once I got it home as well. Finally, went and grabbed a 65" OLED E6 and found that it completely blew away the others. It was the only set of the 3 where I wasn't able to see inherit issues without looking for them. But yeah, there is a HUGE difference between 65" and 88" and I think it all boils down to how many flaws you can live with. For me, I've invested too much into 3D at this point and that severely limits my options if I wanted to try and ever go bigger for the foreseeable future.
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Old 03-05-2017, 07:16 AM   #11
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So as an owner of both the 8500 and an OLED, do you think you would still choose the 65" OLED over a 75" 8500 or even a 86" 9500??
Honestly, I don't feel like the huge markup on TVs over 65" are worth it.

Comparing LED to OLED is also a non-starter. OLED *is* better, but costs more.

I bought a 3D LED and had to come to grips with the issues LEDs have in darker rooms.

Light leakage, poor blacks, and 'seeing' LCD sceen defects in solid fields finally got to me.

The 8500 is now on living room duty for cable TV and Nintendo gaming. Also my 3D backup.

OLED is in the family room for movie nights and Sony gaming. Essentially, when PQ matters.

I'm a strong believer in Passive 3D and OLED now, which in 2016 only went to 65" in size.

You're better off sitting closer, rather then just buying any TV that's bigger or happens to be Active 3D.

3D OLEDs are the Superman of TVs, don't settle for Aquaman.

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Old 03-06-2017, 06:52 PM   #12
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I'm a strong believer in Passive 3D and OLED now, which in 2016 only went to 65" in size.

You're better off sitting closer, rather then just buying any TV that's bigger or happens to be Active 3D.

3D OLEDs are the Superman of TVs, don't settle for Aquaman.
Thanks, very helpful input as an owner of both the best OLED and LED PASSIVE 3d TV models.
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:01 PM   #13
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually had an 88" Samsung JS9500 about a year ago. Watching stuff on it was like being in an IMAX theater and while I was mostly impressed with it; the amount of haloing/blooming on that set was unacceptable for the amount of money I paid for it, so I returned it while still within my return period. Grabbed a 75" Sony x940D and was largely unimpressed with it once I got it home as well. Finally, went and grabbed a 65" OLED E6 and found that it completely blew away the others. It was the only set of the 3 where I wasn't able to see inherit issues without looking for them. But yeah, there is a HUGE difference between 65" and 88" and I think it all boils down to how many flaws you can live with. For me, I've invested too much into 3D at this point and that severely limits my options if I wanted to try and ever go bigger for the foreseeable future.
Thanks!! Very helpful input as an temporary owner of the top active 3d TV models from Samsung and Sony in the large 75"/88" sizes and how they compared to the largest (under $10k) 65" OLED passive 3d TV model.

Curious, did you every test out/own/compare large projectors? ..like Epson 5040, Sony 4k projectors, or any DLP 3d projectors?

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In the final analysis, the decision boils down to one simple question: which is more important to you: picture quality or picture size?

For me, the 86UH9500 can work, if you sit at least 10'-11' back, and can mount the TV height as close to the sweet spot as possible i.e. center of the TV at seated eye level - this will minimize any potential 3D cross-talk you may experience. Also, install bias lights to help offset the poor black levels of the TV.

The above suggestions are based on my own experience with the 75UH8500. Viewing angle and distance are very important when watching 3D content. Nothing will magically improve the black levels, but bias lights makes a dramatic difference with perceived contrast when watching movies in a dark room.
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Thanks!! Very helpful input as an temporary owner of the top active 3d TV models from Samsung and Sony in the large 75"/88" sizes and how they compared to the largest (under $10k) 65" OLED passive 3d TV model.

Curious, did you every test out/own/compare large projectors? ..like Epson 5040, Sony 4k projectors, or any DLP 3d projectors?

Thanks!
No, I was never really into projectors for some reason. That, and my wife was against having to purchase bulbs fearing that they might not be available at some point therefore rendering an expensive purchase completely worthless.

I also agree with the comments made about viewing angle as well and forgot to mention it in relation to the Samsung especially. I thought that with an 88", the sweet spot for viewing would be huge size-wise, but I couldn't have been more wrong. Unless you were sitting dead center in front of it, you weren't getting the best PQ. We have a decent sized sectional that we like to lay at opposite ends on and even viewing like that (which wasn't too far from the center at that size) washed out the image considerably. It was really surprising and was definitely a deal-breaker for me.

But yeah, as good as the active 3D was on the Samsung, it was hands down beaten by the LG OLED in EVERY regard. Granted, it was my first home 3D experience with passive glasses, but far from my first home 3D experience overall having previously owned (and still own) a 3D Panasonic Plasma. The colors just pop off the screen in a way that I've not even seen in the theater. Likewise, there was some fairly noticeable ghosting on the Samsung (and especially on the Sony, which was actually terrible at 3D - that was my deal-breaker on that) that was largely cleaned up on the LG when the same content was viewed. Really can't say enough good things about the 3D on the LG. Watching movies like the Jungle Book 3D are incredible on it.
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But yeah, as good as the active 3D was on the Samsung, it was hands down beaten by the LG OLED in EVERY regard. Granted, it was my first home 3D experience with passive glasses, but far from my first home 3D experience overall having previously owned (and still own) a 3D Panasonic Plasma. The colors just pop off the screen in a way that I've not even seen in the theater. Likewise, there was some fairly noticeable ghosting on the Samsung (and especially on the Sony, which was actually terrible at 3D - that was my deal-breaker on that) that was largely cleaned up on the LG when the same content was viewed. Really can't say enough good things about the 3D on the LG. Watching movies like the Jungle Book 3D are incredible on it.
Thanks, again very helpful comparisons from somebody who has actually owned all three of these screens. My understanding is that the Sammy js9500 is about the best active 3d TV screen made and feedback seems that it is significantly less enjoyable to watch than OLED 3d and you better off with a 65" OLED passive3d than even a 88" js9500 (active3d) if you watch a lot of 3d... And the 65" vs 88" size trade off even seems to be worth it on the OLED for 4k HDR 2d content due to superior picture quality and viewing angles.

I think for picture quality vs size it's probably a closer argument coming down to preference for either of these two tvs (65" OLED vs 78"/88" js9500) (ignoring price). However, for heavy 3D your feedback reaffirms feedback that a medium size 65" 3d OLED is still more enjoyable than the huge active 3d 88" js9500 (even if these screens were the same price). (I left the Sony 930 and 940d out here as its 3d is not recommended over these better 3d screens.

My summary rank list of best screens for bottom line 3d enjoyment Under $20k:
1) lg OLED 77" 77g6p - $20k
2) lg LED LCD 86"uh9500, 75"uh8500 - ~$7k, $3k (can also choose a few older passive 3d LCD tvs but I think these are about the best large size passive 3d LCDs)
3) lg OLED 65" 65e6p or 65c6p - $4k or $3k (or 65g6p for more $)
4) best 3d DLP active 3d projector (my understanding is that a 86" uh9500 would still be slightly better than the best active 3d DLP projectors due to passive superiority but I could be wrong)
5) 78"/88" JS9500 active 3d (any other active 3d LCDs better than this one?)

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Old 06-02-2017, 06:22 PM   #17
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Hi all. I splurged and bought a 86" LED 86uh9500. I wanted to share my comparisons with my OLED 65" 65C6P.

I've only had the 86" set up for 2 evenings now in a dark room so this is preliminary. I'm not a expert reviewer, these are just my subjective opinions with near stock calibration with only some minor setting adjustments to backlight/contrast/color temp. I can adjust my seating between 5-11 feet, and I prefer about 6.5-8.5 feet on 65" OLED and about 7-10feet on 86".

The OLED is better quality everywhere but is smaller. The question for me is what's more enjoyable larger size or better quality.

-Average 2k/4k Netflix and similar streams in non-hdr and a few 4k blurays like planet earth 2, I'm finding I prefer the 86" size over quality trade off, particularly in normal or bright lit scenes in full 16x9 aspect ratio. In normal or bright light, I find the tv to perform quite well, and I'm enjoying the immersion of the 86" lifesize theater feel. 4k looks great in 86" size. Win - 86uh9500(my opinion)

-However, for top quality 2d 4k hdr movies and any content in a lot of low light conditions, I think i prefer the 65" OLED. The quality trade off is not worth the size benefit of 86". I still find the 86" quite enjoyable on this content too and still satisfactory picture quality but with more noticeable compromises over OLED. The OLED contrast and perfect blacks just nails the dark content and HDR so much cleaner, where the 86" led backlight bleed tradeoff in the low lit scenes and in the letterbox area is not worth the trade off, although it still comes down to preference. If the movie has a mixture of low light and bright light and if hdr is not significant, then it can be hard to choose as 86" is fun. Win - OLED 65c6p

-3d content - I need to do more testing here, but on the one 3d I tested, monsters university 3d, I found the OLED has spoiled me. The 86uh9500 led passive 3d is good and still satisfactory to me and def better than 2d, but there is just a slight amount of cross talk or something going on that just makes the image slight more blurry, less clean, less bright, and less contrasty than the OLED. The 86" 3d is still good and watchable, is more than decently bright, still find passive 3d more comfortable than active. I need to spend more time on 3d still as this is a tough one... the big 86" 3d is very fun and can make the 65" feel small especially on average letter box 21:9 on the 65" that doesn't use whole screen making the image even smaller. But on the 86" led and every other non-OLED display I've seen there always seems to be a slight trade off between 2d image clarity/sharpness/quality/contrast vs 3d depth between 2d and 3d content even at the theater... but OLED 3d has been the first tv to feel like it takes almost no quality loss over 2d and only adds a huge amount of immersion and depth while still maintaining a near perfect clean contrast no blur image. Edges and lines of objects in OLED 3d just pop and add depth of field in a natural way, where the 86" led 3d slight subtle crosstalk/blur is subtle noticed around object edges. Like I say OLED has spoiled me, but in reality this comparison still makes me feel OLED 3d is next level and the best visual experience available on top quality 3d blurays (maybe the new IMAX and Dolby cinema dual laser projectors would have similar top 3d picture quality, I've still yet to see 3d on one of these!) . The OLED tech to control each pixel light individually and the blazing fast pixel response time really unlocks 3d to take away the compromises 3d had over 2d in the past. Win - OLED 65c6p , but I must admit I enjoy the 86" 3d immersion too, I find I like to sit slightly farther back on the 86" 3d and sit perfectly centered to reduce crosstalk/blur

Summary I am enjoying both tvs, and it depends on content to which tv I prefer. And I am still dreaming to buy a 77" 3d OLED (77g6p) once price drops a bit more which would replace both of these tvs. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Are both TVs 2016 models?

My 2015 8500 can't really compete with my 2016 C6, but it's still a good TV.

Even on the WebOS home screen, there's a huge difference...

On OLED the colors are bolder, purer, and more saturated. Blacks are way better too.

But in all fairness, there are alot of other LCDs that are way better than my old 8500.

I'm still glad I bought it though, it was my first larger 3D TV and sold me on Passive Full-HD 3D & WebOS.
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Yes, both 2016 models. I think both of my models were mfg in 2nd half of 2016 if i'm not mistaken.
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Well I just bought one of these from Abe's Of Maine. After adding "White Glove Delivery" and a 2 year(In Home) warranty w/screen protection my total price was $3,285.00. I will receive the LG in about a week. I would appreciate it a whole bunch if any of you here that own this model of LG could give any pointers or advise when starting and setting up. I will not be wall mounting this it will go on a stand currently holding my Samsung 55 Smart HDTV 3D(2013). Thanks y'all bye.
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