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Old 11-13-2017, 08:09 PM   #21
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The fundamental problem with Sony trying to build a whole universe around Spider-Man villains is that Spider-Man only has like 3-5 good villains. After you've done Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Venom, Carnage, and Kraven, what else can you do? None of the other villains are interesting enough to carry their own movie. What, are we gonna get a Spidercide movie?
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I don't think the problem is the villains , it is no Spiderman . Unless you subed him out with a different Spiderman , like Miles or Gwen . Then it might work . It could be in it's own universe , that way the MCU and SCGU can both use all the villains they wanted too .
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The fundamental problem with Sony trying to build a whole universe around Spider-Man villains is that Spider-Man only has like 3-5 good villains. After you've done Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Venom, Carnage, and Kraven, what else can you do? None of the other villains are interesting enough to carry their own movie. What, are we gonna get a Spidercide movie?
I still really want a trippy af Spidey vs. Mysterio movie.
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But Morbius and Venom are not going to be villains in these films. They are going to be the main protagonists and treated as anti-heroes.
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But Morbius and Venom are not going to be villains in these films. They are going to be the main protagonists and treated as anti-heroes.
That is stupid with Venom , because he is not Venom until he interacts with Spiderman .
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That is stupid with Venom , because he is not Venom until he interacts with Spiderman .


Well, this ain't gonna be 100% faithful to the comics.
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In all seriousness, I don't like this idea because at this point Spider-Man is not going to have any villains left to fight in the MCU if Sony keeps giving them all solo movies. Besides, Morbius isn't very original at all. We've seen the same concepts done a dozen times on film.
Can you give examples please?

After Amazing Spider-Man 2/Electro i didnt hear anyone protest The Shocker being in Spider-Man Homecoming.
How many Green Goblins have there been?

Morbius is not Blade and kids dont tend to factor that franchises contributions to the CBM Genre
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I still really want a trippy af Spidey vs. Mysterio movie.
It would be fun to see Mysterio in a Spider-Man film. But I don't want a Mysterio film. He's not an interesting enough character to support an entire movie.
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But Morbius and Venom are not going to be villains in these films. They are going to be the main protagonists and treated as anti-heroes.
That's the problem. These characters were created as gimmicks for Spider-Man to fight. There is not enough to them to support a whole series.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:48 PM   #29
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The fundamental problem with Sony trying to build a whole universe around Spider-Man villains is that Spider-Man only has like 3-5 good villains. After you've done Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Venom, Carnage, and Kraven, what else can you do? None of the other villains are interesting enough to carry their own movie. What, are we gonna get a Spidercide movie?
You couldn't be more wrong. Spider-Man and Batman are the top two characters Most actual comic book fans will agree on that they have the best rogues gallery.

The fact you included Carnage of all people in his "best" is laughable. He is shallow as all hell and Venom isn't much better.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:53 PM   #30
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You couldn't be more wrong. Spider-Man and Batman are the top two characters Most actual comic book fans will agree on that they have the best rogues gallery.

The fact you included Carnage of all people in his "best" is laughable. He is shallow as all hell and Venom isn't much better.
You can make a Joker movie that's just about the Joker. Batman doesn't have to be in it. The Joker is a strong enough character to support a film all to himself.

You can't do that with most Spider-Man villains. They work as foils for Spider-Man, and as fun gimmicks that lead to interesting fights. But on their own, there's not enough going on to justify an entire film dedicate solely to themself. The Green Goblin is a great villain for Spider-Man, but you can't make a Green Goblin movie with Green Goblin as the protagonist and expect it to work.
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That's the problem. These characters were created as gimmicks for Spider-Man to fight. There is not enough to them to support a whole series.

So then that gives the writers plenty of room to develop them into stronger characters.

And yet, when people watch MCU movies, they complain about the villains being underdeveloped.


Maybe I see both Venom and Morbius more as monsters than villains, and that's what makes these character concepts work for me for solo films. Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Jekyll and Hyde, The Creature from the Black Lagoon, The Fly, The Blob, The Thing... Jeeze, use your imaginations.
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Maybe I see both Venom and Morbius more as monsters than villains, and that's what makes these character concepts work for me for solo films. Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Jekyll and Hyde, The Creature from the Black Lagoon, The Fly, The Blob, The Thing... Jeeze, use your imaginations.
If you want to make a vampire movie, why does it have to be about Morbius? If you're making an alien movie, why does it have to be about Venom? If they're just using the brand name and making a generic monster movie, then what's the point? What makes these characters interesting and memorable is their relation to Spider-Man, the way they play off his character and challenge him. If you take Spider-Man out of the equation, what's the point of making a movie with this character?
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Can you give examples please?
The Fly, Jekyll and Hyde, The Wolfman, I Am Legend, and pretty much every vampire film ever made.

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After Amazing Spider-Man 2/Electro i didnt hear anyone protest The Shocker being in Spider-Man Homecoming.
How many Green Goblins have there been?
What the hell does that got to do with anything?

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Morbius is not Blade and kids dont tend to factor that franchises contributions to the CBM Genre
Really? Because the whole reason they are making it is because it's a Marvel character. Sony think we will watch anything with the Marvel brand attached to it. That's the whole reason why this is being made. Not because it's a great concept for a story.
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The Fly, Jekyll and Hyde, The Wolfman, I Am Legend, and pretty much every vampire film ever made.



What the hell does that got to do with anything?



Really? Because the whole reason they are making it is because it's a Marvel character. Sony think we will watch anything with the Marvel brand attached to it. That's the whole reason why this is being made. Not because it's a great concept for a story.
I wonder if you should start a SCGU thread lol .
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A vampire movie? In that case I hope it sucks.

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If you want to make a vampire movie, why does it have to be about Morbius? If you're making an alien movie, why does it have to be about Venom? If they're just using the brand name and making a generic monster movie, then what's the point? What makes these characters interesting and memorable is their relation to Spider-Man, the way they play off his character and challenge him. If you take Spider-Man out of the equation, what's the point of making a movie with this character?
Because they can.

Morbius has his own origin story and design that makes him different than other vampires. Venom has his own origin story and design that makes him different than other alien creatures. If you try to copy that and call it something else, then they would just be Morbius and Venom rip-offs. But you can take Spider-Man out of the equation and make these characters just as interesting without him by fleshing them out. Yes, I believe you can. They are certainly interesting enough to stand on their own, but it will be the strength of the writing and direction that will make all the difference.
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The Fly, Jekyll and Hyde, The Wolfman, I Am Legend, and pretty much every vampire film ever made.



What the hell does that got to do with anything?



Really? Because the whole reason they are making it is because it's a Marvel character. Sony think we will watch anything with the Marvel brand attached to it. That's the whole reason why this is being made. Not because it's a great concept for a story.
Morbius is not like Dr. Jeckll and Mr Hyde.
Theres no duality story there.
I doubt youve read a Morbius arc.

To be real i dont think its something that should be a priority, but its a new iteration of Vampirism. Blade still has supernatural connections but Morbius is a Sci-Fi version of a vampire without the garlic, cross, and mirror stuff.
Blade kinda already covered the whole vampire/not vampire stuff, but w Blade on the back burner right now, Morbius as the Anti-hero is a cool direction if written right.
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Morbius is not like Dr. Jeckll and Mr Hyde.
Theres no duality story there.
I doubt youve read a Morbius arc.

To be real i dont think its something that should be a priority, but its a new iteration of Vampirism. Blade still has supernatural connections but Morbius is a Sci-Fi version of a vampire without the garlic, cross, and mirror stuff.
Blade kinda already covered the whole vampire/not vampire stuff, but w Blade on the back burner right now, Morbius as the Anti-hero is a cool direction if written right.
Like I said before, where do you draw the line? You can say all these cool things about any Spider-Man. Ask yourself, can they really carry a franchise?
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Like I said before, where do you draw the line? You can say all these cool things about any Spider-Man. Ask yourself, can they really carry a franchise?
Blade had 3 films.

Guardians Of The Galaxy has 3 films.

Fuskin' GROOT and Rocket Racoon are household names and Halloween costumes in 2017.

Why are u still stuck on ONLY big name deserve the green light.

There is NO heirarchy anymore.

The BLOB will get a SOLO film!!!!
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