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Old 01-19-2021, 10:37 AM   #41
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Didn't Henry and June get an NC:17, only because of a shot of an illustration involving an octopuss? They probably considered that bestiality. I don't think the sex and nudity is what really did it, which is artful and humanistic rather than out and out titulation.
Their reason given for finally adopting the NC-17 was because they said the 'overall tone' of the work was adult and erotic, yet they didn't want to see this very artful film get cut. They said it was the overall tone and not one specific scene. They had been being begged by critics and filmmakers for several years to make a new, respectable adults-only rating that wouldn't have the stigma of an X, which had come to be associated with pornography by most people, so studios had policies banning the rating. The MPAA had resisted. Thus, many films were being censored by the studios to achieve an R rating. That year, as I've said, there were so many films that got an X to start with. (I forgot one, "Wild Orchid", also got and X and was cut for an R). Finally, by "Henry & June", even the MPAA president, Jack Valenti, said he didn't want to see this 'beautiful, quality work' get butchered to get an R. So, they finally made the rating.

Only to have the studios come along right behind them and start making policies against the NC-17, too. After "Henry & June", which was from Universal, only ONE other major studio film ever went out with an NC-17, Paul Verhoeven's "Showgirls", from MGM in 1995. Other than that, just a few indie films played with that rating here and there, or went out Unrated. So, its invention was all for nothing.
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Old 01-19-2021, 03:24 PM   #42
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The Gallows: Rated R for disturbing violent content and terror

As far as I know there is little to no blood/gore in this.
There's one F-bomb, but again, nothing PG-13 can't already get away with (there's PG-13 movies that get away with multiple F-bombs, as stated) and no nudity, gore or drugs, so yeah, it was pretty much for disturbing content.

While scariness (and by that, I mean actually being scared yourself) is completely subjective, the supernatural scenes in Dead Silence and the Conjuring movies will naturally get you an R for the simple reason that you don't want 12-year-olds being exposed to that (I remember being creeped out by Michael Myers while watching a TV edit of Halloween II on Halloween when I was younger, imagine younger me seeing that). You could probably cut the
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scene and F-bombs (as well as the 2 sexualized C-words) in The Exorcist and still get an R for the same reason.

That's the key here: when they say a movie is R for being too scary, they don't necessarily mean too scary for you, they mean too scary for kids. Watch the DS trailer(s) and tell me they shouldn't need an adult with them, onscreen gore or no (which I don't think the theatrical even has).

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Old 01-20-2021, 03:12 AM   #43
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I doubt PJ's breasts had anything to do with the R rating. Airplane! had a longer topless shot in it two years later and was rated PG. But it's hard to read the ratings board mind. Maybe topless glimpse + sexual situation + violent film got an R every time back then.
The breasts in Airplane was strictly for comical effect, nothing sexual, but in Halloween, it was in the context of sex and arousal. I think that's what made the difference.
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Old 01-20-2021, 03:19 AM   #44
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Can't recall the language since it's been about 25 years since I've seen it. Guess I'll go with The Good Son then. Didn't it just have that one f bomb? Scene with Culkin swearing made the entire theater gasp when I saw it as a kid.
My copy of The Good Son says R for Acts of Violence and terror involving a disturbed child.

I think when children are shown in scenes of terror and violence, it makes a difference.
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I think when children are shown in scenes of terror and violence, it makes a difference.
Indeed. I could be misremembering, but I don't recall much foul language or graphic violence in Frailty. Two of the main characters are children, so the R-rating wasn't a surprise.

(GREAT movie, by the way.)
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I totally agree about The Texas Chainsaw Massacre DESERVING it's R rating. I've always refer to this film as a PERFECT example of how to be scary, even disturbing without having to SHOW the violence onscreen. Most people remember this as being on of the goriest movies ever, but then after careful hindsight.....they finally realize all the violence was off screen and in their imagination......which makes it SO much scarier.

I prefer movies like this.
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Old 01-20-2021, 09:37 PM   #47
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I think when children are shown in scenes of terror and violence, it makes a difference.
Probably reason why Curse of LaLlorona was R.
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I totally agree about The Texas Chainsaw Massacre DESERVING it's R rating. I've always refer to this film as a PERFECT example of how to be scary, even disturbing without having to SHOW the violence onscreen. Most people remember this as being one of the goriest movies ever...
It reminds me of The Hitcher (1986). So many people swear up and down (Siskel & Ebert included) that
[Show spoiler]you see Nash being torn in half.
You don't. Not even a little. The film has plenty of other violence, but none in that scene at all.
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I totally agree about The Texas Chainsaw Massacre DESERVING it's R rating. I've always refer to this film as a PERFECT example of how to be scary, even disturbing without having to SHOW the violence onscreen. Most people remember this as being on of the goriest movies ever, but then after careful hindsight.....they finally realize all the violence was off screen and in their imagination......which makes it SO much scarier.

I prefer movies like this.
Like I said, it was the disturbing subject matter/tone that got it the R, and while I agree it helped in this particular movie's case, Logan was better off fully showcasing Wolverine's berserker rage (thank you R rating).



Although to the remake's credit, it does a complete 180 and shows some pretty gruesome kills and is one of the better horror remakes out there. Certainly better than the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes.

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I think when children are shown in scenes of terror and violence, it makes a difference.

I think that contributed to The Conjuring's R rating as well.

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Old 01-21-2021, 12:27 AM   #50
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I'm still hoping for an unrated cut of Texas Chainsaw 2003. I mean, the gorier kills are all in the deleted scenes reel, so it can't be difficult to reinsert them.
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I've always thought Air Force One was a relatively week R-rating. I mean, I get that it's not completely bloodless and is pretty intense at times, but I think if it had been released in the last 10 years or so, it could've gotten away with PG-13. IIRC there's only one F-bomb, and certainly no sex/nudity, so it's just the action/violence.

I also don't think the first Matrix movie is very R-rated.
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The Matrix is absolutely a PG-13. Actually makes me wonder if the R is solely because of the F-bombs in the Rage Against The Machine song in the credits
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I've always thought Air Force One was a relatively week R-rating. I mean, I get that it's not completely bloodless and is pretty intense at times, but I think if it had been released in the last 10 years or so, it could've gotten away with PG-13. IIRC there's only one F-bomb, and certainly no sex/nudity, so it's just the action/violence.

I also don't think the first Matrix movie is very R-rated.
According to IMDBís trivia, Air Force One was planned to be a PG-13 but got stuck with an R upon submission and Harrison Fordís appeal of the rating was unsuccessful:

ď Harrison Ford went before the MPAA and appealed to have the movie re-rated to PG-13, but they refused. The attempt was apparently inspired by the successful appeal to re-rate Clear and Present Danger (1994), also starring Ford.Ē

I (and Iíve seen others say this) feel the MPA has gotten stricter on PG-13 violence than they were in the 80s and 90s, so doubt the MPA would rate it differently now. I also rewatched The Matrix a couple times in the past year and itís more violent than I remembered, not a hard R by any means, but I think enough to deserve the rating.
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The Matrix is absolutely a PG-13. Actually makes me wonder if the R is solely because of the F-bombs in the Rage Against The Machine song in the credits
I think it was the fact that Neo kicked a guy in the head twice in quick succession in the lobby scene. The MPAA apparently didn't like that. I absolutely think The Matrix is a PG-13 movie.
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I'm sorry, but a movie with about a hundred people blown away by close-quarters machine gun fire is an R, no matter how "bloodless".
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I think it was the fact that Neo kicked a guy in the head twice in quick succession in the lobby scene. The MPAA apparently didn't like that. I absolutely think The Matrix is a PG-13 movie.
I think it was the amount of ammunition fired. The movie is mostly bloodless, but I've never seen such fetishizing of shells before. Also, there is a knife thrown into a guy's head, and another guy is shot point-blank in the head.
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I'm sorry, but a movie with about a hundred people blown away by close-quarters machine gun fire is an R, no matter how "bloodless".
Sure, compare that to the scene in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 where about 100 people get killed by Yondu's arrow. Mass murder in movies these days is fine, as long as it's bloodless. The Matrix seemingly got an R due to trifling details, much like The Frighteners with all that bollocks about a door being shot at too many times. My guess is, someone at the MPAA wanted to punish them for filming it in Australia (which ended up reducing the budget by about 60 million) instead of in America.
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Sure, compare that to the scene in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 where about 100 people get killed by Yondu's arrow. Mass murder in movies these days is fine, as long as it's bloodless.
The difference being, you can go into a gun store and buy an automatic weapon, and the resultant mass shootings since Columbine make any frivolous display of gunplay carnage iffy in terms of MPAA approval for a PG-13.
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I think it was the amount of ammunition fired. The movie is mostly bloodless, but I've never seen such fetishizing of shells before. Also, there is a knife thrown into a guy's head, and another guy is shot point-blank in the head.
I've seen head shots and stabbings in PG-13s before, so it can't be that. Maybe it is the ammunition fetish.
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The difference being, you can go into a gun store and buy an automatic weapon, and the resultant mass shootings since Columbine make any frivolous display of gunplay carnage iffy in terms of MPAA approval for a PG-13.
Except The Matrix was written, filmed, and released before the Columbine incident. That movie, as well as the music of Marilyn Manson, was blamed for the massacre. I'll bite my tongue on that.

Can you imagine if they tried to release The Matrix after Columbine? It NEVER would have gotten an R-rating.
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