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Old 11-28-2022, 07:09 PM   #181
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Chapek never had a chance. Most of the problems with Disney's movie quality started under Iger's reign and he never got the chance to fix them. He was basically used a scapegoat. I'm sure they'll use firing Chapek as a way to keep goodwill with all of the hardcore Disney fans, but I bet they keep most of his policies in place to raise profits. Like price increases.

Iger is a genius. He feels more like a a politician than a businessman. He quit with no notice in the middle of the night, right before COVID hit. He knew what it was going to do to the companies bottom line. He got out as fast as a he can and let Chapek take all the heat for it. Now he's back to act like a hero as the companies revenue will likely go up. Honestly, he was probably never even really gone in a sense. He probably always had the ear of the board and if you read the insider trade writers on social media, Iger has been trashing Chapek privately to the board for some time.

I really hope he doesn't buy Netflix. I don't want a slimy company like Disney owning and controlling all of Hollywood.
100% agree. Iger is also the one that started the "Rainbow Capitalism" stuff. A lot of that has not worked out financially. Anyone is his position needs to be a politician of sorts. Hes got to slob the shareholder knob as they say but also has to come up with content that is profitable & is accepted well by the masses. Those two things go hand in hand.

Nope - please dont let Disney buy anything more at all. They're good. They've swallowed up enough content & IPs to last a lifetime. Time for them to make GOOD content and use what they have. They've mostly butchered star wars from an episodic movie perspective but in fairness they have have done some very good TV shows. They need to stick to solid family entertainment(animated and live action) & good Star Wars TV shows. Stay away from fringe or edge-case crap and they'll be fine.

I just dont want or need them in charge of more IPs and classic content. No thanks. Im scared of what they might have in store for some of the FOX IPs. Like The Alien franchise..... oh boy..... LOL . Ridley Scott basically killed it himself but they could be the final coffin nail.

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From what I've read, Chapek was doing shady shit making D+ look more profitable to Wall Street than they actually were. That Disney+ has actually been losing the company money every year since its inception.

https://www.cinemablend.com/streamin...me-shady-moves
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Is that a possibility?
Please no, LOL.

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you must be using the Chapek accounting method! Hahahaha
Lee is the Disney guy around here. Losses are somehow profits. They make up for it in volume like that old Saturday Night Live skit about the change bank. Remember that?
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Old 11-28-2022, 07:16 PM   #182
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In the end who really cares? they'll survive and who is thinking about who is running Disney while at Disney Land/World. Chapek is merely a scapegoat (an unpopular one at that, because of not being very PR savvy), who was implementing many things already in the works before Iger left in 2020. They'll never pass on savings to the consumer. Prices have always gone up and will continue to rise year after year.
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Old 11-28-2022, 08:27 PM   #183
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In the end who really cares? they'll survive and who is thinking about who is running Disney while at Disney Land/World. Chapek is merely a scapegoat (an unpopular one at that, because of not being very PR savvy), who was implementing many things already in the works before Iger left in 2020. They'll never pass on savings to the consumer. Prices have always gone up and will continue to rise year after year.
The shareholders. That's why the change was made. It has nothing to do with disneyfans being mad online
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Old 11-29-2022, 04:21 AM   #184
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I'm never going to understand the Michael Eisner fans...especially if they've read DisneyWar and are still Michael Eisner fans...
Neither will I. That book is on my nightstand whenever I need to fact-check something.

Not to defend his actions, but I'm afraid Eisner was gonna happen one way or another. Ron Miller wanted him at Disney after their two collaborations with Paramount, but only to run the studio and not the parks. Roy let him have the whole thing. It seemed like a good idea at the time. There's another book called Storming the Magic Kingdom by John Taylor about the attempted Saul Steinberg takeover that ends on a triumphalist note for the Eisner/Katzenberg/Wells regime even because it was published in 1987 after Touchstone had had some hits but before the animation department started raking in cash and Oscars again. I also recommend The Keys to the Kingdom by Kim Masters, a book critical of Eisner that still managed to get published in the late 1990s while he still had control over the company because his bridge-burnings with Katzenberg (and later with Michael Ovitz) had become public and tarnished his erstwhile reputation as the savior of Disney.

Even if Miller had stayed at Disney longer than he did, and there were positive signs of change already in progress when Saul Steinberg derailed what was already likely his last chance to course-correct, he, too would likely have clashed with Eisner just as Roy eventually did.

But in the moment, it really was magical seeing Disney spring back to life, especially if you were a child back then like I was. That things would go south so dramatically was unexpected. Perhaps this is why Frozen-era Disney has gotten so hooked on all these twist villains and still can't "let it go;" the "it" they are trying to let go is all the hurt feelings over the end of Disney animation the way Walt Disney made it.

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Old 11-29-2022, 07:37 AM   #185
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Bob Iger Tells Disney Town Hall Hiring Freeze Still In Effect, No New Acquisitions Planned & Not Merging With Apple

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Old 11-29-2022, 07:57 PM   #186
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I'm still waiting for news that Kathleen Kennedy has been fired from Lucasfilm and that the whole thing is being handed to Dave Filoni & jon Favreau to run
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Old 11-29-2022, 07:59 PM   #187
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I'm still waiting for news that Kathleen Kennedy has been fired from Lucasfilm and that the whole thing is being handed to Dave Filoni & jon Favreau to run

Keep the dream alive.
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Old 11-30-2022, 01:45 AM   #188
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Disney Pays $900M for MLB’s Remaining Stake in Streaming Company BAMTech

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Old 11-30-2022, 01:52 AM   #189
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Favreau and Filoni? They are so last year. Gilroy is the saviour of Star Wars now.
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Old 11-30-2022, 11:13 AM   #190
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Looks like Eiger wants to calm some things down.

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Old 11-30-2022, 08:25 PM   #191
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I'm still waiting for news that Kathleen Kennedy has been fired from Lucasfilm and that the whole thing is being handed to Dave Filoni & jon Favreau to run
She'll never be publicly fired. Even if it is really a firing. It'll be called a "retirement" and she'll be celebrated for all that she's done in the industry.

The latest rumor is that she'll step down after Indy 5 comes out.

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Old 11-30-2022, 09:18 PM   #192
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She'll never be publicly fired. Even it is really a firing. It'll be called a "retirement" and she'll be celebrated for all that she's done in the industry.

The latest rumor is that she'll step down after Indy 5 comes out.
Of course - much like they did with Bruce Arians in Tampa Bay. He was given a consultant position with the team but is no longer the head coach. Uh huh, sure.

Quite frankly, It would have been nice to have seen the sequels made without her influence at all. Oh well. Missed opportunity.
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Old 12-01-2022, 07:59 PM   #193
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Any movie studio that were to dismiss one of the most respected and successful movie producers in history, one with the highest individual honours in the business and held in the highest regard by her peers, and replace them with a producer of children's TV animation with one feature film to their credit at age 48 (and an unsuccessful one at that) combined with someone who has never been a hands-on producer on any film that he hasn't personally directed, would overnight lose all credibility as a functioning production studio and become the laughing stock of Hollywood.

Besides, it's not the same job. Without Kathy Kennedy making them busier than ever then Dave Filoni would have moved on from Star Wars long ago (to be honest, after seventeen years working only at Lucasfilm he probably should do), and Jon Favreau is by his own admission happiest when he's just goofing around in the kitchen doing those Chef specials for Netlix.
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Old 12-01-2022, 09:29 PM   #194
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Looks like Eiger wants to calm some things down.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/di...spect-audience
Sooo...business as usual.
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Sooo...business as usual.
I guess. Its all probably not going to really affect anything.
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Looks like Eiger wants to calm some things down.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/di...spect-audience
Does he mean, telling his employees to stop acting like whiny entitled little tools and to stop cherry picking a few troll comments and blowing it up on social media?

It'd be nice if he talked about improving the quality of content, scaling back quantity. Marvel and Lucasfilm have run amok with assembly line product with a development room full of hacktivists fresh out of college with a poli-psy degree.

Also his idea that Disney movies(or movies in general) changed the world is laughable. Disney movies entertained the world that's it. They helped make us deal with our daily life in the real world with wholesome escapism. They didn't solve world hunger, end global conflicts, no more than Rocky single-handedly ending the cold war with a boxing match.

The problem with Disney is their lack of humility and goodwill which just a little of that goes a long way with audiences. Give us enjoyment, not sermons and ultimatum on Twitter. If Iger were smart, he'd be trying to make amends with the movie going public after the last few years of Disney riding a PR high horse talking down to audiences, painting them with a broad brush.
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Is Chapek still fired? Any updates to this “breaking” (i.e. still developing) news report?
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Any movie studio that were to dismiss one of the most respected and successful movie producers in history, one with the highest individual honours in the business and held in the highest regard by her peers, and replace them with a producer of children's TV animation with one feature film to their credit at age 48 (and an unsuccessful one at that) combined with someone who has never been a hands-on producer on any film that he hasn't personally directed, would overnight lose all credibility as a functioning production studio and become the laughing stock of Hollywood.

Besides, it's not the same job. Without Kathy Kennedy making them busier than ever then Dave Filoni would have moved on from Star Wars long ago (to be honest, after seventeen years working only at Lucasfilm he probably should do), and Jon Favreau is by his own admission happiest when he's just goofing around in the kitchen doing those Chef specials for Netlix.
At the very least remove her far far away from anything Star Wars/Marvel and give her something else to keep busy with. Move her over to the Disney movie/animation side of things.
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At the very least remove her far far away from anything Star Wars/Marvel and give her something else to keep busy with. Move her over to the Disney movie/animation side of things.
Kathy Kennedy produced everything Star Wars not just what you don't like.

Might as well fire Kevin Feige for Iron Man 2 or Thor The Dark World, the only outright bad movie she produced is epIX, with Solo being borderline and epVIII depends on taste.

It's just that she became the scapegoat for everyone that hates new Star Wars, same as George Lucas was during the prequel era.
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Kathy Kennedy produced everything Star Wars not just what you don't like
And it's all been crap, so what the hell's your point?

The comparison to Feige is, frankly, insulting. Say what you want about the MCU, and I'm not a fan of them, but Feige clearly had vision. Creating a series of interlinked films that make up a cinematic 'universe' was his idea and he's the only one to successfully implement it. Other studios, Warner Bros, Universal have all tried it and have all failed. Feige has had some missteps but he's also had some serious, unqualified successes

Kennedy, on the other hand, has no ideas, has no vision, defended her lack of ideas and vision by saying stupid shit like 'Well, there's no books to base these things off of'. The only unqualified success of Lucasfilm in the Disney era has been The Mandalorian and even that has been diluted by successive, poor quality, Star Wars TV shows

Now granted, it's not entirely Kennedy's fault, Bob Iger's the one who wanted a Star Wars film every other year. But it is mostly Kennedy's fault.
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