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Old 12-15-2016, 03:03 AM   #21
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I think people who feel UV is a disaster are the same who feel iTunes is amazing. Without UV, I wouldn't be in the digital copy world. For years I would buy a disc that came with a digital copy only to never be able to use it unless I bought an apple device. Everyone who didn't own an apple device was basically excluded from digital copies. UV opened the door since it wasn't tied to a specific brand. And honestly, that's the way it should be.

Today I have an iPhone and an Apple watch. I tried the Apple TV, but prefer my Rokus. Still on my iPhone, I can watch my entire collection of UV with Vudu, just like I could on my previous device. If I switch devices in the future my collection will go with me. Again, this is how it should be.

UV isn't that complicated. I have redeemed 99% of my codes on Vudu without issues. Apple, Amazon, Google, they all could have and can join but so far they choose not to.

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Ultraviolet has been kind of a disaster though. dma did pretty much everything that ultraviolet should have.

UV has two major things going for it that DMA never did.

Movie Sharing - Okay, it doesn't work that great right now, but if you have family members, movie sharing is a GREAT feature.
TV UV Status - Okay, this is technically a Disney decision, and it might have something to do with the name "Disney Movies Anywhere" (emphasis on movies), but still, it's a shame. It's kind of a shame to have the MCU movies via DMA, but not tie-in content like "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." or "Marvel's Agent Carter".

Other than those two things, and of course, the studio support that UV has, I agree, DMA blows UV out of the water.
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I think people who feel UV is a disaster are the same who feel iTunes is amazing. Without UV, I wouldn't be in the digital copy world. For years I would buy a disc that came with a digital copy only to never be able to use it unless I bought an apple device. Everyone who didn't own an apple device was basically excluded from digital copies. UV opened the door since it wasn't ties to a specific brand. And honestly, that's the way it should be.
UV is a great concept, but there are flaws, and pretty much ties you to VUDU or FandangoNOW.

DMA allows you to use iTunes, VUDU, Amazon Video, Google, Windows, etc...
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Old 12-15-2016, 03:15 AM   #24
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UV is a great concept, but there are flaws, and pretty much ties you to VUDU or FandangoNOW.

DMA allows you to use iTunes, VUDU, Amazon Video, Google, Windows, etc...
Yes but if iTunes, Vudu, Amazon, Google, Windows, etc were all part of UV then it would be perfect. Those guys have chosen to stay separate. DMA is basically UV just with one studio.
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Old 12-15-2016, 03:38 AM   #25
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Yes but if iTunes, Vudu, Amazon, Google, Windows, etc were all part of UV then it would be perfect. Those guys have chosen to stay separate. DMA is basically UV just with one studio.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas...

One has to wonder why (other than Disney's leverage) did they support DMA, but not UV (aside from VUDU)?

However, yes, if iTunes, VUDU, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, etc. supported UV, it would be better. This is true, though still not perfect.

Just look at this week's 4K release of "Suicide Squad". Redeeming at VUDU gives you a 4K digital copy of the theatrical release and an HD version of the extended edition in your UV locker. Redeeming at Flixster gives you a 4K version of both. Redeeming "Divergent" from the 4K disc at Flixster gives you a 4K copy, but redeeming at VUDU gives you an HD copy. Your UV library might include a TV season, but at VUDU, it might show you own every episode of the season, but still gives you an option to BUY the season, because it doesn't know you don't own the season. There are flaws...

Though it's very possible that if DMA had more studios and TV series/episodes, it's possible it could be as buggy as well. Right now, it's simpler and gives you more options to view your content.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas...

One has to wonder why (other than Disney's leverage) did they support DMA, but not UV (aside from VUDU)?

However, yes, if iTunes, VUDU, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, etc. supported UV, it would be better. This is true, though still not perfect.

Just look at this week's 4K release of "Suicide Squad". Redeeming at VUDU gives you a 4K digital copy of the theatrical release and an HD version of the extended edition in your UV locker. Redeeming at Flixster gives you a 4K version of both. Redeeming "Divergent" from the 4K disc at Flixster gives you a 4K copy, but redeeming at VUDU gives you an HD copy. Your UV library might include a TV season, but at VUDU, it might show you own every episode of the season, but still gives you an option to BUY the season, because it doesn't know you don't own the season. There are flaws...

Though it's very possible that if DMA had more studios and TV series/episodes, it's possible it could be as buggy as well. Right now, it's simpler and gives you more options to view your content.
I guess....

They are all buggy sometimes, UV , iTunes, DMA.

4k is fairly new on codes. Which iTunes code give you 4k or which DMA gives 4k? (I know Disney doesn't have 4k, just expanding your comments). I redeemed Suicide Squad on Vudu and have UHD for both extended and theatrical in my UV account....
DMA doesn't even offer TV seasons....yet. As you stated I am sure it would be just as "buggy" if they had more studios/TV shows.

Disney is Disney. Everyone is going to support them. They probably have more pull than any other studio. I mean who's is going to be the moron who says, Naw, we don't need people watching their Disney collection on our site/app/ppatform.

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I redeemed Suicide Squad on Vudu and have UHD for both extended and theatrical in my UV account....
Good to read somebody did...

Look, I don't care if it's UV or KeyChest, I just want a digital locker system that works with the most providers, and offers the least amount of trouble. If UV can get additional video providers under their belt, and work out a few kinks, great! If Disney can get the job done better and attract more partners, then great, and if the studios want to support both, fantastic!
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Good to read somebody did...

Look, I don't care if it's UV or KeyChest, I just want a digital locker system that works with the most providers, and offers the least amount of trouble. If UV can get additional video providers under their belt, and work out a few kinks, great! If Disney can get the job done better and attract more partners, then great, and if the studios want to support both, fantastic!
I agree. I believe this was the intention but it takes everyone to get on board and play nice. Hopefully it happens.
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UV isn't that complicated. I have redeemed 99% of my codes on Vudu without issues. Apple, Amazon, Google, they all could have and can join but so far they choose not to.
Careful - don't want to turn this into another UV vs ITUNES thread
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This would be great! I knew Warner would be the next after Disney to start their own thing like this. Thats the way they are. Can't believe they gave people the choice of what the name should be and then came up with a new one all together.

I wouldn't mind if each studio had their own redemption site like Disney has with DMA. Because it goes to ALL the linked providers. UV doesn't do this all the time. It IS a mess of sorts. Like many have mentioned, some places you can't redeem everything for some reason, or it is not "UV" at the time. At DMA it has worked every time, with all providers.

I use iTunes because that is where I started my digital collection. I like it because its all in one place and looks nice. I redeem UV before they "expire". Recently I tried out the Vudu app on my TV and found it works much better then on a computer, and change my thinking on UV a little.

But dropping UV for a Keychest seems kind of strange since its the same thing. But if all studios can get together and get the big providers like Disney has. Its all good for everyone.

I'm in favor of it.

Redeem one place watch literally anywhere. Like it should have been to begin with.

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Old 12-15-2016, 09:00 AM   #31
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Good to read somebody did...

Look, I don't care if it's UV or KeyChest, I just want a digital locker system that works with the most providers, and offers the least amount of trouble. If UV can get additional video providers under their belt, and work out a few kinks, great! If Disney can get the job done better and attract more partners, then great, and if the studios want to support both, fantastic!
Like I told you guys, the Disc is dead, The Studios see the writing on the wall. HD Digital Streaming is riding the Big Wave, and everybody will want to catch it. The bottom line who is going to be the Big Kahuna!
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:06 PM   #32
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Yes but if iTunes, Vudu, Amazon, Google, Windows, etc were all part of UV then it would be perfect. Those guys have chosen to stay separate. DMA is basically UV just with one studio.


I'm with you, UV works well for me, I don't have any issues to speak of. Iv'e said many times digital needs to be like DVD, you can purchase and play on anybody's player.
This is a matter of what makes more sense. All the studios (except Disney) along with dozens of supporting companies who formed the "Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem" and voted on a universal system "Ultraviolet"----drop everything they did, and join one studio "Disney" and let Disney dictate the rules, and most know Disney's rules are not exactly friendly to the consumer.

Or, Apple and Disney can swallow their pride and do what they should of done years ago and join UV. As I said it all works great for me now. Everything is in one place, I don't need multiple players, but for the good of digital if that is where we are going it needs to be as universal as DVD but, that can't happen as long as some providers are trying to have content purchased in their store limited to playback on their device in their store.
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Or, Apple and Disney can swallow their pride and do what they should of done years ago and join UV. As I said it all works great for me now. Everything is in one place, I don't need multiple players, but for the good of digital if that is where we are going it needs to be as universal as DVD but, that can't happen as long as some providers are trying to have content purchased in their store limited to playback on their device in their store.
I agree it would be nice if all the studios, and Apple (and Amazon & Google, etc.) were all part of UV, but how about just getting the studios that have already joined UV to offer all of their digital titles that way? The way it is a Fox or MGM, or whatever studio title might be UV or it might not. Those that are will be SD & HD at some places and SD only at others or UV at one and not UV at another (such as UV at FandangoNow but not Vudu). It's kind of a mess.
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As long as this would mean I can access my current UV titles through Apple TV
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This article from over a year ago has some interesting nuggets...

"Tsujihara said Disney and other studios could maintain separate sellthrough platforms while combining cloud-based functionality on the backend. The executive said combining user data between UltraViolet and Disney would help the industry grow digital content sales."

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/stu...anywhere-35355
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I agree it would be nice if all the studios, and Apple (and Amazon & Google, etc.) were all part of UV, but how about just getting the studios that have already joined UV to offer all of their digital titles that way? The way it is a Fox or MGM, or whatever studio title might be UV or it might not. Those that are will be SD & HD at some places and SD only at others or UV at one and not UV at another (such as UV at FandangoNow but not Vudu). It's kind of a mess.
There are definitely some issues trying to meld UVs locker with the providers. I don't notice but others do. I think some people go from provider to provider daily to compare...life is to short for that kind of over management imo. lol. I only go to Vudu so I don't see any of the mess but I know others do. Eventually I think the issues you mentioned will get better
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As long as this would mean I can access my current UV titles through Apple TV
I'm all for that but, I don't think Apple wants you renting or purchasing from anybody but itunes on Apple tv....so don't hold your breath waiting lol.
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There are definitely some issues trying to meld UVs locker with the providers. I don't notice but others do. I think some people go from provider to provider daily to compare...life is to short for that kind of over management imo. lol. I only go to Vudu so I don't see any of the mess but I know others do. Eventually I think the issues you mentioned will get better
The only issue with UV to me now is 4K. I redeem everything on Vudu and never have any problems, but the 4K copy can be a problem when Vudu doesn't have the 4K copy on their site (which is due to their only using Dolby Vision, IMHO). On 4K right now, I use Flixster (the WB Flixster, not the FandangoNow formerly Flixster).
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I'm all for that but, I don't think Apple wants you renting or purchasing from anybody but itunes on Apple tv....so don't hold your breath waiting lol.
Accessing your content and purchasing content can be split and do not have to be linked, meaning they can have an Apple TV app that just doesn't offer purchases, like on the iphone and iPad.

Also if the UV provider is willing to agree to Apple's cut, they could also sell content in the apple ecosystem, but we know they won't pay the 30% or so Apple wants.
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I'm all for that but, I don't think Apple wants you renting or purchasing from anybody but itunes on Apple tv....so don't hold your breath waiting lol.
Apple already links to DMA and the story here is about other studios joining DMA. For you to be right they would have to remove people's DMA accounts - how do you think that would go over?

Besides, you WOULD be buying from iTunes, just like you do with Disney titles right now...
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