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Old 12-16-2016, 12:50 AM   #41
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The only issue with UV to me now is 4K. I redeem everything on Vudu and never have any problems, but the 4K copy can be a problem when Vudu doesn't have the 4K copy on their site (which is due to their only using Dolby Vision, IMHO). On 4K right now, I use Flixster (the WB Flixster, not the FandangoNow formerly Flixster).
FandangoNow was formerly M-GO, not Flixster. Nothing much has changed since FandangoNow bought it. There's just more sales basically. Flixster is still Flixster. You thought there were two Flixsters? That would have been quite confusing.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:11 AM   #42
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Also if the UV provider is willing to agree to Apple's cut, they could also sell content in the apple ecosystem, but we know they won't pay the 30% or so Apple wants.
It's more can't than won't isn't it? From what I know of the margins on digital movies most only give the provider 25-30%. Can't pay that to Apple and still keep your "doors" open. It's the same reason digital book sellers don't have bookstores within their iOS apps anymore.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:16 AM   #43
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FandangoNow was formerly M-GO, not Flixster. Nothing much has changed since FandangoNow bought it. There's just more sales basically. Flixster is still Flixster. You thought there were two Flixsters? That would have been quite confusing.
There are two Flixsters now. There's Flixster (owned by Fandango) and there's Flixster Video (owned by Warner).

https://www.flixster.com/
https://www.flixstervideo.com/

Weirdly, the title bar for the Flixster site still says "Buy, Rent, and Watch Movies & TV on Flixster", but I don't think you can do any of that with the Fandango Flixster. They offer links to digital providers but Fandango Flixster is really a destination for movie tickets now.
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:05 AM   #44
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There are two Flixsters now. There's Flixster (owned by Fandango) and there's Flixster Video (owned by Warner).

https://www.flixster.com/
https://www.flixstervideo.com/

Weirdly, the title bar for the Flixster site still says "Buy, Rent, and Watch Movies & TV on Flixster", but I don't think you can do any of that with the Fandango Flixster. They offer links to digital providers but Fandango Flixster is really a destination for movie tickets now.
Same company. Warner owns a piece of Fandango...
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Disney should have just joined Ultraviolet, but Disney had to be Disney.

I am all about more options, but Disney is for the most part garbage to me. There are only a handful of good movies in their entire history and that includes the actual good stuff and talent they acquired, not produced.

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Old 12-16-2016, 07:41 PM   #46
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Disney should have just joined Ultraviolet, but Disney had to be Disney.

I am all about more options, but Disney is for the most part garbage to me. There are only a handful of good movies in their entire history and that includes the actual good stuff and talent they acquired, not produced.

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Disney is awesome. I laugh at your hate.
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Disney is awesome. I laugh at your hate.
I am sorry you don't agree with my opinion.
I laugh at your simple taste.

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Old 12-16-2016, 09:42 PM   #48
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Disney should have just joined Ultraviolet, but Disney had to be Disney.

I am all about more options, but Disney is for the most part garbage to me. There are only a handful of good movies in their entire history and that includes the actual good stuff and talent they acquired, not produced.

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If Disney would have joined like everybody else, Apple, then the others may have followed...who knows.

I'm not really into animated stuff so If 1 studio was not going to join UV I would have picked them, but I loved their movies growing up. Remember all the Kurt Russell Movies? Showing my age...
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:25 AM   #49
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Same company. Warner owns a piece of Fandango...
Fandango is a unit of NBCUniversal which is owned by Comcast. Yes, Warner has a minority stake in Fandango. That doesn't make them the same company at all. NBCUniversal/Comcast drives the Fandango bus, Warner is sitting in the back looking for spare change.
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Not to sound lazy, but I'm all for anything. Whatever happens, happens. Right now its all up in the air for me. I actually look at it both ways, since there's not much people can do but the bigshots in the boardroom. Like most of the people above, I like Disney's way of doing it (as in running things in most platforms like Google and such), but one umbrella could mean many things too.
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Old 12-17-2016, 07:51 PM   #51
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This would actually be great if really means that one can purchase a digital movie from any provider (UV(Vudu/CinemaNow/FandangoNow), Amazon, Google Play, iTunes/Microsoft) and they all end up in one Disney locker.

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Old 12-18-2016, 12:28 AM   #52
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This would actually be great if really means that once can purchase a digital movie from any provider (UV(Vudu/CinemaNow/FandangoNow), Amazon, Google Play, iTunes/Microsoft) and they all end up in one Disney locker.
My Collection on Disney is only two Movies, but only one shows up Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy does not. I have 400+ in my Vudu Collection, so I am very happy with their service. From these Posting I can see that most are coming out from The Dark Side, and embracing HD Digital. Now the only obstacle is a Provider.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:16 AM   #53
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There are two Flixsters now. There's Flixster (owned by Fandango) and there's Flixster Video (owned by Warner).

https://www.flixster.com/
https://www.flixstervideo.com/

Weirdly, the title bar for the Flixster site still says "Buy, Rent, and Watch Movies & TV on Flixster", but I don't think you can do any of that with the Fandango Flixster. They offer links to digital providers but Fandango Flixster is really a destination for movie tickets now.
Right, right. The Flixster Video and then the Flixster for movie times and stuff. I thought those were connected. Weird.

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Disney should have just joined Ultraviolet, but Disney had to be Disney.

I am all about more options, but Disney is for the most part garbage to me. There are only a handful of good movies in their entire history and that includes the actual good stuff and talent they acquired, not produced.
I adopted Blu-ray before the format wars ended mainly because it's the format Disney chose (and it had a higher storage capacity). I couldn't survive on only watching Disney movies, but I do love their films, and must have access to them. Sorry you dislike most of them. I dislike avant-garde cinema for the most part, so to each their own.

In the case of Digital, Disney doesn't make you choose just one provider. Almost all the other studios do. Sure, Paramount and Universal typically give you both UV and iTunes copies with your Blu-ray combo, but that still doesn't give you a copy on Amazon (not that most people complain). And if you've gone mostly Digital, like me, you'll be choosing a provider for each purchase outside DMA.

Disney's decision to chose Blu-ray over HD-DVD was smart, and their Keychest idea is also great. Other studios could take notes from Disney when it comes to home video formats (maybe not when it comes to their handling of 3D).
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:49 AM   #54
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My Collection on Disney is only two Movies, but only one shows up Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy does not. I have 400+ in my Vudu Collection, so I am very happy with their service. From these Posting I can see that most are coming out from The Dark Side, and embracing HD Digital. Now the only obstacle is a Provider.
Just call disney and they will fix your missing movie with almost no problems. They will basically just want the number of on the spine of your 3d combo pack at worst. I have had problems rarely with Disney and other studios and Disney is by far the easiest to deal with since they have a number you can call where you can talk to a real person with decent english.

If you bought it though vudu and never linked your dma account then good luck with vudus probably Indian tech support though emails (I jest but the only studios support that I have found great is Disney followed perhaps by paramount. itunes tries but its normally a very polite your screwed call somebody else listed lol).

Some of the other studios I have had a problem with never respond at all or demand pictures evidence etc by email over a few weeks for a code they give away for a dollar (if you have a bd). Disney is by far one of the best studios for contacting and getting support.

As far as going to the dark side and using digital they give these things away with blu rays or sell them for a dollar. I never had a problem with using digital as a free extra though I would hate to pay money for them as they have no resale value and as vudu demonstrated recently they can talk away your library with a few bad keystrokes.
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My Collection on Disney is only two Movies, but only one shows up Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy does not. I have 400+ in my Vudu Collection, so I am very happy with their service. From these Posting I can see that most are coming out from The Dark Side, and embracing HD Digital. Now the only obstacle is a Provider.
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Just call disney and they will fix your missing movie with almost no problems. They will basically just want the number of on the spine of your 3d combo pack at worst. I have had problems rarely with Disney and other studios and Disney is by far the easiest to deal with since they have a number you can call where you can talk to a real person with decent english.

If you bought it though vudu and never linked your dma account then good luck with vudus probably Indian tech support though emails (I jest but the only studios support that I have found great is Disney followed perhaps by paramount. itunes tries but its normally a very polite your screwed call somebody else listed lol).

As far as going to the dark side and using digital they give these things away with blu rays or sell them for a dollar. I never had a problem with using digital as a free extra though I would hate to pay money for them as they have no resale value and as vudu demonstrated recently they can talk away your library with a few bad keystrokes.
No I don't have a problem, Guardians shows up in Vudu so does Ant-Man, that is my main concern. Vudu has always kept all my Collection intact except for one time they were doing some upgrades, and they fixed it right away. So my pick for a Provider will stay with Vudu. If you read the Article, HD Digital is not just a free give away anymore people are using it as their main Movie watching. I know as far as I am concerned, if I can't get it in HD Digital I don't want it. I'm going to watch Magnificent 7 tonight, and I have already watched Sully. Most people are still waiting for the Disc to come out.

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Right, right. The Flixster Video and then the Flixster for movie times and stuff. I thought those were connected. Weird.



I adopted Blu-ray before the format wars ended mainly because it's the format Disney chose (and it had a higher storage capacity). I couldn't survive on only watching Disney movies, but I do love their films, and must have access to them. Sorry you dislike most of them. I dislike avant-garde cinema for the most part, so to each their own.

In the case of Digital, Disney doesn't make you choose just one provider. Almost all the other studios do. Sure, Paramount and Universal typically give you both UV and iTunes copies with your Blu-ray combo, but that still doesn't give you a copy on Amazon (not that most people complain). And if you've gone mostly Digital, like me, you'll be choosing a provider for each purchase outside DMA.

Disney's decision to chose Blu-ray over HD-DVD was smart, and their Keychest idea is also great. Other studios could take notes from Disney when it comes to home video formats (maybe not when it comes to their handling of 3D).
I think the studios should discontinue all codes except the UV ones. If itunes or whoever wants codes to work in the store they would need to join. Maybe that would light a fire? Probably not, the people using those store fronts would probably blame the studios for not providing a universal code, when that is exactly what they are trying to do.
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Old 12-18-2016, 04:34 PM   #57
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I think the studios should discontinue all codes except the UV ones. If itunes or whoever wants codes to work in the store they would need to join. Maybe that would light a fire? Probably not, the people using those store fronts would probably blame the studios for not providing a universal code, when that is exactly what they are trying to do.
Sony, WB and others already do that. You would just need Paramount, Universal and others to follow suit. I'm not sure it would do much at this point. I suppose people who like to buy other's iTunes codes or people who buy physical to get the iTunes codes would be disappointed. It would probably push iTunes to do more exclusives (whether that means extras or just having a title exclusively for a period of time). They'd still have DMA linked with them, but I guess it could motivate some change. On the other hand, Amazon is only linked to DMA, and they don't seem too worried. It might push iTunes to start their own subscription service, like Amazon did years ago.
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Old 12-18-2016, 05:04 PM   #58
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I think the studios should discontinue all codes except the UV ones. If itunes or whoever wants codes to work in the store they would need to join. Maybe that would light a fire? Probably not, the people using those store fronts would probably blame the studios for not providing a universal code, when that is exactly what they are trying to do.
I mean they can do that but it would cost them a lot of money. Doing something the consumer hates isn't a great way to try to sell a product that has available substitutes. Pulling shinanagans like that such as not including itunes and expiring codes is the reason I am willing to pay higher prices for Disney movies. I basically don't buy uv only studios at all till the items on clearance.

Its also rather hard to force a change like that from a position of weakness Disney has all of the top 5 highest grossing films this year once rouge has finished its run.

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Old 12-19-2016, 02:09 AM   #59
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I just hope fox joins disney movies anywhere then we could get a new hope to propagate into amazon itunes etc. Fox also sucks in that their codes make you chose between vudu and itunes and go though their own site for redemption both of which are annoying. I wouldn't mind getting all of marvels universe into the dma sorting system but that will require fox sony and universal.
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I just hope fox joins disney movies anywhere then we could get a new hope to propagate into amazon itunes etc. Fox also sucks in that their codes make you chose between vudu and itunes and go though their own site for redemption both of which are annoying. I wouldn't mind getting all of marvels universe into the dma sorting system but that will require fox sony and universal.
That would just be another band aid. There needs to be one code that works everyplace just like a DVD will play on anybody's DVD player. There needs to be one library, like DMA or UV that maintains our rights, that the store fronts link too. We shouldn't need to figure out what code works where. If you buy a movie in itunes, it should add rights for that movie to the central library, and port to other store fronts. itunes (and the others) don't own these movies, they shouldn't be allowed to lock them down to only their player.
Store fronts can compete for our business with features, ease of use....but not by locking our purchases from any studio to play back only on their store front. Fox joining DMA would only further divide where we need to get to. The system is already in place....consumers need to shift focus from arguing studios need to make codes to work in all store fronts to, pressuring store fronts that continue to not join, to do so, imo.
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