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Old 09-09-2017, 07:27 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Sony launches three new 4K projectors all 3D capable

Here's some info on Sony's three new 4K projectors that were displayed and demo'd at CEDIA.

- New laser light VPL-VW885ES SRP $24,999 launching by end of November 2017. Here's the pdf spec sheet.

- VPL-VW285ES and VPL-VW385ES. Sony's new entry level 4K projector will retail for sub $5k and the step-up VPL-VW385ES SRP, $7,999 with a nice promotion to pair these new projectors with Kaleidescape's Strato 4K Ultra HD high-dynamic-range movie player. Here's the pdf spec sheet.

Availability for Sony's new VW285ES and VW385ES 4K 3D capable projectors will be prioritized for select dealers will get early allocations by the end of September or slightly sooner.

Great times for enthusiasts with new theater plans or upgrades to existing theaters.
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Old 09-12-2017, 03:18 PM   #2
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Commented some in the post in the 4K equipment thread.
Basically The 285 is really enticing to me, especially for the price, but it doesn't have dynamic contrast. For that reason if I had the money I would definitely go for the 385.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:53 PM   #3
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Here's the new data sheets on Sony's new line-up of 4K projectors:

- VPL-VW885ES

- VPL-VW285ES and VW385ES
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:59 PM   #4
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I can't wait to get a look at these! I see a 4K projector purchase for me in the next 12 months!
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:40 PM   #5
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Just a heads up the 285/385 dont have 18gbs HDMI so if you want to do 4K HDR on PS4 pro gaming prepare for some colour banding.

I tried the 285 was decent but the 4K panel is not worth the money.
If your screen is 120" or above i think you will find 3D and HDR will be too dim.

+ Motion was decent
+ No screen door due to 4K panel
+ Image had a natural sharpness. Reality creation is very good.

- No 18gbs HDMI means 4K HDR gaming on PS4 pro brings colour banding.
- 1500 Lumens brightness is fine for 2D but too low for 3D and HDR.
- Black levels and contrast not as good as competitors around same cost.

For me the 285 is not worth the cost.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:11 PM   #6
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I was looking at $10-12k range for a new projector mid 2018. There's a huge price gap between the 385 and 885. Maybe Sony will slot another model in there later?
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Old 09-27-2017, 01:08 PM   #7
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Just a heads up the 285/385 dont have 18gbs HDMI so if you want to do 4K HDR on PS4 pro gaming prepare for some colour banding.

I tried the 285 was decent but the 4K panel is not worth the money.
If your screen is 120" or above i think you will find 3D and HDR will be too dim.

+ Motion was decent
+ No screen door due to 4K panel
+ Image had a natural sharpness. Reality creation is very good.

- No 18gbs HDMI means 4K HDR gaming on PS4 pro brings colour banding.
- 1500 Lumens brightness is fine for 2D but too low for 3D and HDR.
- Black levels and contrast not as good as competitors around same cost.

For me the 285 is not worth the cost.
I've got a 120" screen, throw is only about 15', room is completely light controlled. Your sentiments are the same I've read online, so consistent for sure. I'd be curious to know if you could see the colour banding yourself on 4K HDR content when you got to see it? When I google colour banding the sample pictures make it obvious, but the content I watch won't be static images designed to demonstrate colour banding, I'm curious to know how obvious it is during motion of actual 4K content.

With no intentions of watching 3D content or playing 4K games I'm still excited to see this projector in person... hopefully in the coming weeks as the local place here will be putting one on demo as soon as they get one.
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:00 AM   #8
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I've got a 120" screen, throw is only about 15', room is completely light controlled. Your sentiments are the same I've read online, so consistent for sure. I'd be curious to know if you could see the colour banding yourself on 4K HDR content when you got to see it? When I google colour banding the sample pictures make it obvious, but the content I watch won't be static images designed to demonstrate colour banding, I'm curious to know how obvious it is during motion of actual 4K content.

With no intentions of watching 3D content or playing 4K games I'm still excited to see this projector in person... hopefully in the coming weeks as the local place here will be putting one on demo as soon as they get one.
From what I have read, I think the color banding would only apply when playing 4K/HDR games @ 60fps. Regular 4K 24p movie content should be fine and free of banding. I myself will be playing 4K games and watch 3D movies but I'm not that worried.

Anyway after a long deliberation I have decided to go with the 260ES (European equivalent of the 285). Going to place an order with my dealer this week.
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Old 09-30-2017, 12:38 AM   #9
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Hmm the issue they have with the Pro is bad, since that would be my main 4K HDR use.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:32 PM   #10
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Sounds cool, but I'm perfectly content waiting until they hit the <$1k range.
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Most theater quality 1080p projectors aren't even that cheap yet.
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In my honest opinion, this is where the future of 3D lies. Either in the individual with the usage of VR goggles, its only a matter of time before the goggles morph into 4k with HDMI and USB (for power) connections. Enhanced or simulated ATMOS sound in earphones with regular sound. The other side of course is the continued advancement of 3D within home projectors, utilizing separate lenses to simulate the 3D affect. Both of these solutions are more effective, efficient and cost effective in comparison to the usage of glasses which required either the user or glasses to be in a certain place, distance or even to be charged to experience the 3D effect. Even today, as we see more and more theaters get away from actually projecting their movies using film, digital resolutions and yes even the 3D experience will become more necessary and commonplace as movie-houses try to give their customers an experience they cannot have at home.
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:33 PM   #13
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Sounds cool, but I'm perfectly content waiting until they hit the <$1k range.
Ah, the 5th of Neveruary.

My condo cinema is soon coming to an end, maybe as early as next summer when I finally make the leap and purchase a home.

When that comes, it's back to projector-based systems for me.
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Ah, the 5th of Neveruary.

My condo cinema is soon coming to an end, maybe as early as next summer when I finally make the leap and purchase a home.

When that comes, it's back to projector-based systems for me.
Well that is exciting news... I eagerly await pictures of your new cinema. You have impeccable style, your theatre will look amazing!
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Well that is exciting news... I eagerly await pictures of your new cinema. You have impeccable style, your theatre will look amazing!
I basically grew up on this forum. When I joined I was a 20 year old still in college, now I'm getting married this coming year and buying a home.

Time flies.

Thanks, man! Might be a from-the-ground-up build, who knows. Damnable Miami real estate market,
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I installed the 285ES last week, replacing a 55ES, and I am more than happy with it.

HDR can be a bit dark with certain movies but that's where the HDR contrast slider comes in handy, 3D on the other hand is harder to get a bright enough picture even on high lamp. I have a 102" screen so people with larger screens might want to take that into consideration.
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Is your room pitch black or highly light controlled?
Also do you have a PS4 Pro?
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Is your room pitch black or highly light controlled?
Also do you have a PS4 Pro?
Untreated living room. It's fairly dark once the sun has gone down and all lights have been turned off, but a white ceiling + white walls hold back the PJ's true capabilities ofcourse. But this was something I took into consideration three years ago when I got my 55ES. Still the difference between my 55ES (654 hours) and the 285ES are like night and day and I am very content with it. Even without a DI and with my unfavourable living room surroundings, I think contrast and colors are great.

I'm about to test a new 49 feet active HDMI cable which I have just connected between the 285ES and a Sony 1070 receiver. I'm just waiting till it's completely dark outside. I couldn't get a picture from my PS4 Pro with my current 49 feet cable (unless I switched it to the 1080p setting), also had to turn off the 50/60p 4K setting on the Panasonic UB900 otherwise I couldn't get a picture either.

There probably be some banding with 4K/HDR/60p gaming content but I won't be really bothered with it. 4K and 2D/3D 24p movie content is what I will be using the 285 mostly for anyway.
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Finally saw a 285 in action, sadly it was at Best Buy so the environment wasn't very good for checking it out. Also all they had playing on it was a looped one minute clip from Pixels, and it wasn't even a decent clip.
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