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I have often heard that people in the audiophile community use the term “Coherent” to describe speakers without fully understanding what it really means. The purpose of this thread is to shed some light on this issue.
By coherent loudspeakers, we normally mean time and phase coherent. It basically means that the output signal should have the same phase relationships as the input signal. Unfortunately, when two different frequency components of a signal go into a device at precisely the same time, they do not necessarily come out at the same time. All audio components distort the phase of the signal to some degree. Even air can affect the time alignment of a signal, but the biggest culprits are the speakers and their crossover networks. Phase shifts can destroy the wave characteristics of many musical instruments and reduce our ability to localize them. They smear the source. Sometimes, we call this muddy. Other times, a singer may appear to be very wide or the voice may appear to come out of the singer's stomach. All crossovers alter the phase. However, with some types of filters, when the low pass and high pass outputs are mixed back together, the original phase and amplitude relations are re-created precisely. Such crossover filters are phase coherent and their high and low pass outputs are phase complementary. The question of the audibility of these distortions has become the object of heated discussions on whether we are able to perceive absolute phase, frequency-dependent phase shifts, and the rate of phase shift. However, we know that our ear are sensitive to phase and use this information to help us determine directionality. There are several factors that affect time and phase coherency of a loudspeaker:
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A requirement of loudspeakers with perfect phase coherence is to have a first-order crossover. If you put an impulse into such loudspeakers, you will see all the drivers responding simultaneously and in perfect harmony. This isn't necessarily true for other type of loudspeakers. As I said before, there is some disagreement about the audibility of a lack of phase coherence. In fact, some of the world's greatest loudspeakers are not phase coherent. Another important issue is that there is only one driver for each frequency range. Some speakers that have multiple drivers handling one particular frequency range generally result in a diffused sound and reduces the transparency. In this respect, speakers with full-range drivers may have an advantage over multiple driver speakers. Sometimes the differences in phase response at frequencies shared by different drivers can be corrected by adjusting the vertical location of the smaller drivers (usually backwards), or by leaning or stepping the front baffle, so that the wavefront from all drivers is coherent around the crossover frequencies. The center of the drivers determine the amount of rearward offset to time-align the drivers. This is from Wilson Audio's Maxx Series 3 Website: ![]() Quote:
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![]() Vandersteen 5a Signature: ![]() Thiel is another maker of time and phase coherent speakers. Dunlavy Audio Labs (DAL), before they went out of business, were known to build phase coherent speakers. The late John Dunlavy was also involved with designing speakers for the Australian high-end company, Duntech. It is not by accident that some of Duntech speakers have close similarity to the speakers from DAL. REFERENCES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION http://www.greenmountainaudio.com/sp...al-timing.html http://www.monstercable.com/mpc/stab...aker_Phase.pdf http://www.passlabs.com/pdfs/articles/phasecrx.pdf http://www.moultonlabs.com/more/abou...y_reversal/P0/ http://sound.westhost.com/pcmm.htm http://sound.westhost.com/ptd.htm http://audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php http://audiocheck.net/blindtests_abspolarity.php http://www.audioholics.com/education...r-loudspeakers http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...ks-4-2004.html http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/Pdf...758_eprint.pdf http://www.soundstage.com/interviews/int07.htm http://www.greenmountainaudio.com/ti...ase-coherence/ http://www.digido.com/subwoofers.html Last edited by Big Daddy; 08-11-2011 at 11:49 PM. |
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Duntech Sovereign Speaker:
The Sovereign uses a seven driver system with the drivers symmetrically arranged on a vertical axis and time aligned. Crossover Type: First order ![]() Thiel CS3.7: Quote:
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It does not meet rule number one so It does not qualify as it uses 2nd order X-over 12db per octave on both X-Over and has multidriver mids but they sound Phenomenal.
I have to say I'm biased being a fellow Montrealer. Last edited by BigAl87; 09-04-2010 at 01:02 AM. |
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I did not want to give the impression that Vadersteen and Thiel are the only companies that pay atention to time and phase alignment. Please feel free to post information and pictures about any other speakers that are time and phase coherent.
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