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[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

oh, another link for you, P, when you get back... something about a ship sinking on the big screen

http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2012/0...-it-anyway.php

lol, I don’t think I’ve ever read that *p…p* phrase in association with the Na'vi “prancing around” in AVATAR. You certainly do have a way with words. Good to see you enjoyed more of Titanic this time around after a 15 year viewing hiatus and thank God you didn’t write any nonsense suggesting you have total recall for the grain, color, etc. of the original theatrical presentation like others do with their implied photographic memories. Funny thing about those with *photographic memories*, for of the few people that I know of who possess this trait, they’ve parlayed that prowess into far greater humanistic and financial real-world success than posting remembrances of the exact original look of old motion pictures on random home theater internet blogs nearly every day.

Anyway, if Transformers: Dark of the Moon didn’t do it by now, Titanic in 3D should make believers out of all but the most jaded conversion-aversion diehards that the science of 2D -> 3D conversion can hold its own (and in some cases allows for greater control and precision) as compared with native stereoscopic capture…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...or#post5283297

As an aside, relating to my mention of Men in Black III at the end of the above linked post ^ from October past….following pre-production testing using native stereoscopic capture (i.e. 3D rigs), the filmmaker chose to shoot in 2D and convert rather than shoot in 3D for the principal photography, given his directorial style during a comedic shoot, as well as his preference of lens and media choice which were better suited by using a 2D camera. In other words, he had confidence in the merits of preferring and doing a 2D -> 3D conversion for this motion picture over that of native 3D capture.

More on that later when I’ve got more time. This is going to be a very busy week for me in terms of getting things done prior to heading out to NAB (it’s not just all about broadcast) 2012.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

Maybe I'll have to turn in my man card, but I actually don't mind the film....

lol, you mean you’re not an *internet tough-guy* ?

Hey, congrats on making into the NHL playoffs. Not sure who will have a tougher time of it though…you or Rick.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Welcome to the other side of the wringer.

Man, did we need that win after the missed opportunity with QPR. That match may well turn out to be the defining game for getting into Champions League.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hey, congrats on making into the NHL playoffs. Not sure who will have a tougher time of it though…you or Rick.

Definitely me! I'm a Philly fan, and being such I am well aware that Philly teams have a knack for making things extremely tough on themselves!
It's a given every season!

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, you mean you’re not an *internet tough-guy* ?

Hey, congrats on making into the NHL playoffs. Not sure who will have a tougher time of it though…you or Rick.

Considering San Jose hasn't beat St. Louis all year, I think we'll have a tougher time of it. I'm glad they made it though and played their best hockey the last 4 games of the year. Frankly, if they play like that against St. Louis, I give them about a 40% shot to win. If they play like the did through most of February and March though, their chances drop to 0%!!! Go Sharks!

[Penton-Man]

Nice video on restoration from Uni…https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=7943

Take that and the comments made in the paragraphs below the pic of the horse-back riders here…http://www.hometheater.com/content/h...-4k-way-page-2 , for even if one doesn’t understand the nuances of oversampling theory in order to harvest all 35mm detail and also to avoid aliasing (http://efilm.com/publish/2008/05/19/4K%20plus.pdf), and you don’t get the opportunity to tour a facility like Colorworks, I think it’s pretty evident as to the value of 4K scanning even for Blu-ray production (1920 x 1080 4:2:0 8-bit) and exhibition on 1080p displays.

All I would add to the video is that 4K wetgate scanning greatly helps in reducing the time needed for frame-by-frame digital restoration using software tools (which is great) but it is of little help if the emulsion itself is damaged.

[Penton-Man]

Shark, where’s that spiel you promised on the stuntman? Am I going to have to post a pic of all my Viewfinders https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...le#post5981973 ( read the Wiki link)

Grand Prix Finisher Pins in order to encourage you to get on the stick? Geez, do I have to carry this thread all by myself.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...a very busy week for me in terms of getting things done prior to heading out to NAB (it’s not just all about broadcast) 2012.

Would like to do an Eldorado-style road trip but it looks like I’ll be flying out this time around.

[Penton-Man]

People PM’ed me for pics of our Pom. Here he is wearing his little cap to go with the fact that the bride and groom were Scots and the wedding had a Scottish theme to it. (Deci do your thing when you get a chance)

The Little Fella by Night.jpg

[Penton-Man]

Here’s another during the daytime…

The Little Fella by Day.jpg

[Joseph Goodman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Nice video on restoration from Uni…https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=7943


All I would add to the video is that 4K wetgate scanning greatly helps in reducing the time needed for frame-by-frame digital restoration using software tools (which is great) but it is of little help if the emulsion itself is damaged.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a wetgate (be it printing or scanning) only helps with base-side scratches and dings, not emulsion-side, right?

What's your opinion on the various IR dirt mapping schemes available? Imagetrends (the creators of Digital ICE) has a demo reel...

Image Trends Digital ICE Film Restoration - YouTube

...for their Scanmaster 4000 with footage credited to Sony Pictures (it appeared to be a Kim Novak film); would you know what film that was?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Anyway, if Transformers: Dark of the Moon didn’t do it by now, Titanic in 3D should make believers out of all but the most jaded conversion-aversion diehards that the science of 2D -> 3D conversion can hold its own

But why stop at 3D when you can have Titanic in SUPER 3D?

Titanic SUPER 3D - YouTube

(Ties in quite nicely with the Transformers reference)

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

But why stop at 3D when you can have Titanic in SUPER 3D?

[Show spoiler]Titanic SUPER 3D - YouTube

(Ties in quite nicely with the Transformers reference)

Brilliant!

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

But why stop at 3D when you can have Titanic in SUPER 3D?

Titanic SUPER 3D - YouTube

(Ties in quite nicely with the Transformers reference)

Saw this from a friend who emailed it to me and I found it to be absolutely hilarious and brilliant at the same time. Too freaking funny.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hi Oliver! Good to see you back in the Club.

What I’d like is for camera-savvy consumers to carry around cameras on the golf course which shoot at 960fps (like the new NEX-FS700) so that I can better visualize and appreciate that little white ball skip across the water and into the hole when your German golfers do those trick shots, like so ….
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-d...032832544.html

Seriously, on topic, I get a lot of those type of ‘native 4K requests’ regularly in my email inbox and I will probably get even more when the major manufacturers start launching flat panel consumer 4K TVs. 4K monitors (and other beyond HD devices) on showroom floors will drive the launch of 4K packaged media. Horse before the carriage, i.e. the displays and devices being the ‘horse’, so to speak. The good thing is that there is already more native 4K feature film digital master material available in the studio library, even as of right now, than there was of 3D feature film material for when 3DBD launched….much more.

Plus, even small independent productions are shooting in 4K….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...nt#post5779065

Anyway, until the arrival of 4KBD, in the meantime, I think an evolutionary step in the ability to view native 4K moving picture at home, would be to offer all early adopters of home 4K displays, be it projectors or flat panels, a reasonably priced converter box which can deliver native 4K via a single HDMI output into their 4K displays, in case these consumers are capable of providing/shooting their own 4K content for home viewing..for example, with 4K camcorder or prosumer 4K cameras….whether their internal codec be H.264 or even ‘lowly’ MPEG-2.

We’ll see if this comes to fruition, as things are in a state of transition….http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...umer-unit.html

Hi Penton,

thanks for the welcome, will try to post a bit more again but time is always at a premium these days.

I may be old fashioned but I seriously doubt that I would watch my own movies in 4k - I have a feeling they will not quite reach the heights of "proper" feature films

Good to hear though that people are looking for solutions to bring 4k to the displays - from what I hear 4k HDMI inputs are even scarcer than 4k HDMI outputs?

What about TV stations and 4k? I remember back in the days 1080i HDTV movies were the first source of digitally delivered high definition movies that were already available when the first 1080p digital consumer projectors were released but this time there seems to be little hope of 4k movie content from TV stations, not even in Japan.

Hope that the division of Sony where you are working is not affected by the layoffs!

[DenonCI]

Hope that the division of Sony where you are working is not affected by the layoffs!

Me too!

[sharkshark]

Whooops.

Greetings from Asheville...

http://twitchfilm.com/interviews/201...ey-gilbert.php

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Shark, where’s that spiel you promised on the stuntman? Am I going to have to post a pic of all my Viewfinders https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...le#post5981973 ( read the Wiki link)

Grand Prix Finisher Pins in order to encourage you to get on the stick? Geez, do I have to carry this thread all by myself.

[Anthony P]

Hi Penton, discussing 4K in another thread and making a typo (put 8" instead of 5"). It got me thinking.

Assuming read speed would not be an issue (since there are 12x BD-r drives)and normal BD is 1.5x, has anyone thought of increasing the diameter to increase cpacity? obviously there will be the issue of linear velocity at the outer rim, but if we move from 5" (12cm) to 8" (20cm) we would be more then quadrupling the capacity. (assuming my math is OK)

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Hi Penton, discussing 4K in another thread and making a typo (put 8" instead of 5"). It got me thinking.

Assuming read speed would not be an issue (since there are 12x BD-r drives)and normal BD is 1.5x, has anyone thought of increasing the diameter to increase cpacity? obviously there will be the issue of linear velocity at the outer rim, but if we move from 5" (12cm) to 8" (20cm) we would be more then quadrupling the capacity. (assuming my math is OK)

Not quite sure, but I would think that would create quite the hardware overhaul. From a residential POV, external wouldn't be that much of a hassle, but internal drives certainly would be.
Even at the commercial level, the goal is to do more while getting physically smaller.
I'd be just fine with BD100's making the rounds before 8" platters make their return!

[androvsky]

The size of current optical discs is so entrenched with consumers, retail, and production lines that I don't want to even contemplate moving to a larger format. That, and blu-rays are thinner than previous formats by necessity, making larger diameter ones might cause strength and stability issues. Better to just add layers for now, I think.