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Old 12-10-2022, 10:17 PM   #41
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I’m disappointed that they stopped doing disk art for Discovery.
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Iím disappointed that they stopped doing disk art for Discovery.
Can anyone with the Steelbook version confirm there is no artwork on the discs? Sometimes the studios have reserved actual disc art for the Steelbook release.
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Can anyone with the Steelbook version confirm there is no artwork on the discs? Sometimes the studios have reserved actual disc art for the Steelbook release.
Yes, I just got the steelbook today. No disk art.
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Old 12-11-2022, 08:04 PM   #44
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Yeah, extremely stupid not providing a slipcover for season 4. I came up with a solution though as I like uniformity. I tossed the slipcovers for the first three seasons in the garbage. Now all four seasons match perfectly ...
Good man.

UK Season 4 Blu does come with a slip BTW for those who can't bear to be a ruthlessly practical as HonestJohn.

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Yes, I just got the steelbook today. No disk art.
I don't recall us ever getting disc art on the UK versions. Just blue or silver with text.

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Old 12-11-2022, 08:12 PM   #45
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Discovery’s been the only one to get disk art on the blu-rays here in the US. Everything else is the plain old blue disks.
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Bad writing is bad writing.
Bad writing is also subjective, but I wouldn't debate against someone saying DISC has bad writing. Same for the recent SW movies. What I do argue against is complaints made against them that would apply equally to the older entries, with seemingly them being more modern or starring women or whatever else being the only difference (not saying which/any apply to you).

"Rey knows how to fly with no practice!" is not a valid complaint from someone who loved the original movies, ya know?
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Yeah, extremely stupid not providing a slipcover for season 4. I came up with a solution though as I like uniformity. I tossed the slipcovers for the first three seasons in the garbage. Now all four seasons match perfectly ...
I wouldn't throw them away, if something bothers me (getting early ones with slips and later ones without or vice versa) then I just remove the one I have and put them in a gallon sized zip bag and store them somewhere lol
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Reason to keep slips is if you decide to sell someday. A nice slip can turn a not worth selling movie into a decent little ebay profit. I keep them all in a box in the closet.
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Bad writing is also subjective, but I wouldn't debate against someone saying DISC has bad writing. Same for the recent SW movies. What I do argue against is complaints made against them that would apply equally to the older entries, with seemingly them being more modern or starring women or whatever else being the only difference (not saying which/any apply to you).

"Rey knows how to fly with no practice!" is not a valid complaint from someone who loved the original movies, ya know?
The problem is the messaging is getting in the way of the story recently. Nobody cares who or what the protagonist is, if the story is well written, it will work just fine.

Specifically regarding Star Trek, Discovery is constantly hitting the viewer over the head with messaging in a very obvious and blatant way. I never noticed this type of blatant messaging in previous Star Trek series even though they were still present. The message was woven into the story much more seamlessly in previous iterations. I REALLY want to love Discovery, but the show itself makes that very difficult.

I also don't think criticisms of some of these works that are "being more modern or starring women or whatever else" come out of no where. They perhaps get over amplified, but that seems to be because the general reaction to the criticism is just to throw an "ism" word their way.

It's okay for movies/shows without 'historically traditional' leads to be bad. Just because it's 'bold' or 'historic' doesn't make it good. If 90% of everything is hot garbage, that ratio doesn't change because the protagonist does.


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Reason to keep slips is if you decide to sell someday. A nice slip can turn a not worth selling movie into a decent little ebay profit. I keep them all in a box in the closet.
Part of me wishes I would just get rid of all my slips so everything looks uniform on the shelf and I can stop obsessing about slipcover condition.
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Is DSC really so obvious though? Season 4 (and to a lesser extent season 3) has some hidden messaging on the state of politics and the world right now, with a politically divided US and here across the pond, the political difficulties of the EU and Brexit. Earth in DSC season 4 is very much a cypher of Britain, with pre-Burn Federation seemingly a metaphor for the EU. All handled in a very optimistic Star Trek way - I liked how that optimism for the future returned at the end of DSC season 3.
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Old 12-12-2022, 06:14 PM   #51
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Specifically regarding Star Trek, Discovery is constantly hitting the viewer over the head with messaging in a very obvious and blatant way. I never noticed this type of blatant messaging in previous Star Trek series even though they were still present. The message was woven into the story much more seamlessly in previous iterations. I REALLY want to love Discovery, but the show itself makes that very difficult.
I think like with people who don't see Aliens as having a strong feminist message you are perhaps seeing older Trek through the eyes of someone less political when he watched it. Trek has always had blatant progressive messaging, since forever.
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Old 12-12-2022, 06:18 PM   #52
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Is DSC really so obvious though? Season 4 (and to a lesser extent season 3) has some hidden messaging on the state of politics and the world right now, with a politically divided US and here across the pond, the political difficulties of the EU and Brexit. Earth in DSC season 4 is very much a cypher of Britain, with pre-Burn Federation seemingly a metaphor for the EU. All handled in a very optimistic Star Trek way - I liked how that optimism for the future returned at the end of DSC season 3.
President of United Earth is about as obvious as it gets. They knew exactly what they were doing and regardless of someone's political beliefs was a bad idea as I'm sure it alienated half the fanbase.

There are many similar examples but that is the most obvious.
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I have been searching for a thread like this! I also got the blu-ray from Amazon.

I Also checked two of my local Walmart locations and they also have bluray in a plastic wrap resealer instead of the celophane we're used to. and none of the blu-ray sets in either store had a slipcover. wondering if it was a manufacturing problem?
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Reason to keep slips is if you decide to sell someday. A nice slip can turn a not worth selling movie into a decent little ebay profit. I keep them all in a box in the closet.
Ain't that the truth! Just this week I was selling some flicks on eBay and was astonished to see bids start going up and up and nice offers rolling in for titles I'd originally thought may not even be worth the trouble of selling on eBay (The Expendables 4K, Tokyo Drift 4K, a few Pixar/Marvel 4K titles). But I didn't consider the OOP slipcover factor...
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And a week later the steelbook is $29.99. I paid a few dollars more for the regular edition upon release via Amazon.
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Damn, if I waited one more week I could’ve saved 10 bucks.
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President of United Earth is about as obvious as it gets. They knew exactly what they were doing and regardless of someone's political beliefs was a bad idea as I'm sure it alienated half the fanbase.

There are many similar examples but that is the most obvious.
She's an enormous Trekkie, so I took this as being a cool cameo like when Stephen Hawking was on TNG. I might have felt differently if I were on the other side of the aisle, but I honestly don't see how people on the other side of the current aisle could stand most Star Trek, 1964-2022. So I don't see a problem.
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I think like with people who don't see Aliens as having a strong feminist message you are perhaps seeing older Trek through the eyes of someone less political when he watched it. Trek has always had blatant progressive messaging, since forever.
Perhaps, but Discovery's writing is very blunt. I really don't think past Trek was as clumsy.

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She's an enormous Trekkie, so I took this as being a cool cameo like when Stephen Hawking was on TNG. I might have felt differently if I were on the other side of the aisle, but I honestly don't see how people on the other side of the current aisle could stand most Star Trek, 1964-2022. So I don't see a problem.
Would you feel the same way if it was someone from the other side instead? Surely you don't think only one side of the aisle likes Star Trek, right?

I am not on either side as they all seem to not be interested in actually solving problems, just pretending to. When you 'other' a group of people, you end up where the US is now. Both sides do it and now nobody seems to be able to come together. Both sides think the other side is wrong and both feel they are correct and the other side is brainwashed. When you deliberately bring in a politician to a show, you exacerbate that. Inclusion, not exclusion...right?

Star Trek is supposed to represent optimism and the pinnacle of civilization as we follow the adventures of a ship and her crew as they help others. Discovery is focused squarely on one character to the detriment of everything else. It is not at all similar to other Star Trek.

All I'm saying is I wish Star Trek Discovery wove in 'messaging' better and spent more time on the rest of the crew. It'd also be nice if writers looked up The Hero's Journey. Is that really unreasonable?
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Perhaps, but Discovery's writing is very blunt. I really don't think past Trek was as clumsy.
It's a fair point that writing can influence how things are seen. I groaned at the girl power thing at the end of Avengers Endgame, despite being what I would call a "feminist" I guess. A lot of the Trek/Wars anger seems to be at base concepts though, but... yes, fair point.

DISC season one had some weak writing, but it actually has one of my favorite cultural commentary moments in Trek when Burnam chastises an admiral for saying Klingons as a race are violent. "Surely you understand race and culture are different things" she replies. Something both sides of the political isle need to learn nowadays.


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Would you feel the same way if it was someone from the other side instead? Surely you don't think only one side of the aisle likes Star Trek, right?
I think to be a conservative or nationalist and be a big fan of Trek you would have to be either extremely dense as to its messaging or have a truly exceptional ability to separate art from its message.
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