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Old 09-16-2021, 01:29 PM   #681
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Isn’t there an incentive for HDR10+ for projector owners? As projectors aren’t going to be compatible with the restrictive nature of DV?

I hope HDR10+ does not die off. I don’t know why people cheer on codecs and such like they are football teams. More options are better.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:44 PM   #682
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Yeah I'm sure non-cinephiles will be falling over themselves to hand over $40 for titles like 'The Learning Tree' and 'One Night In Miami'
You seem fun.

Yes, I was strictly talking about the already announced UHD titles. The ones you mentioned aren’t slated for UHD at the moment. As such, your condescension is not only rude, it also makes zero sense. You’re trying to start an argument with a false presupposition, and based upon something I never said.

As I consider myself a gentleman, and being that I detest the notion we must lose all humanity when online, I will accept your apology and move forward as friends, should you choose to do so.

I’ll give you the final word, and never bring it up again, regardless of how you respond.

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Old 09-16-2021, 03:27 PM   #683
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Isn’t there an incentive for HDR10+ for projector owners? As projectors aren’t going to be compatible with the restrictive nature of DV?

I hope HDR10+ does not die off. I don’t know why people cheer on codecs and such like they are football teams. More options are better.
In my opinion we're already entering the end of the line for HDR10+. I don't know why the format couldn't make a bigger splash cause a lot of TV's out there are able to support it, but Dolby's incredible marketing push to have Dolby Vision dominate totally put HDR10+ in the back seat, and they've never been able to get out of it.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:08 PM   #684
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He's talking about UHDs, which those two aren't, probably because Criterion already knows the sales of those are gonna be lower than Citizen Kane and Mulholland Dr. So not only is your eye-rolling snark condescending, it also makes you look a bit stupid.
My mistake but same could easily be said for 'Uncut Gems' ($49,99) and 'Menace II Society' ($34.99). At those prices even some hardcore Criterion enthusiasts may hesitate.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:13 PM   #685
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Does anyone ever buy Criterion at MSRP anyway? I certainly don't.

The sale prices will be $25-$30 which is consistent with most other boutique label 4k discs.
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No one ever buys Criterion discs at $40, that's why they went out of business years ago because no one buys them. Horribly overpriced!
Completely unsustainable model. Wait a minute...
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:20 PM   #687
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Does anyone ever buy Criterion at MSRP anyway? I certainly don't.

The sale prices will be $25-$30 which is consistent with most other boutique label 4k discs.
Yes but even in any future B&N sales for example I'd still say most 'non-cinephiles' wouldn't be tempted. Depends on the title of course.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:21 PM   #688
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Does anyone ever buy Criterion at MSRP anyway? I certainly don't.

The sale prices will be $25-$30 which is consistent with most other boutique label 4k discs.

I don't either, too expensive. I buy during the semi-annual B&N sale but when I do I load up so they gets my moniez either way, yo
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I don't either, too expensive. I buy during the semi-annual B&N sale but when I do I load up so they gets my moniez either way, yo
Hopefully they will include Criterion 4K titles in their sales and not just DVD/Blu-rays.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:39 PM   #690
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Hopefully they will include Criterion 4K titles in their sales and not just DVD/Blu-rays.
I would imagine they would, they included BDs when they were considered the "premium" offering and I would think Criterion would realize how many people buy their titles during these sales.
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Isnít there an incentive for HDR10+ for projector owners? As projectors arenít going to be compatible with the restrictive nature of DV?
The three new laser projectors from JVC will all support HDR10+.
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Old 09-16-2021, 08:50 PM   #692
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Panasonic didn't leave the US market. They still make 4K players and they've been doing since the format was introduced. You can buy them on Amazon.
I was talking about the TV market.

This was due to them sticking with plasma while most people wanted LCD & LED LCDs. One of the main problems is that it took too long for 1080p plasmas to hit the market.

I hope that they reconsider now that OLED is doing really well. Samsung is also releasing OLEDs (QD-OLED) very soon. If not in January then sometime during 2022 or January 2023.

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I've had a samsung set up since 2017 nothing too fancy just a "basic" 4k tv and 4k player so are uhd's that have dolby vision played on samsung equipment... am I getting the full benefit of the HDR then?
Every 4K Blu-ray with HDR (same applies to 4K DV streams) has an HDR10 base layer regardless of whether it has DV or not. If the disc has HDR10+ (i.e. Bohemian Rhapsody, Alien) and your 4K Blu-ray player supports HDR10+ then you can see the HDR10+ version.

The Panasonic UB420 (currently $200) is a solid player that supports HDR10+. It’s very similar to their excellent UB820 with the main difference being that it lacks DV but you don’t need DV since you have a Samsung.

It’s also worth noting that the majority of discs actually only offer HDR10 with DV being reserved for streaming. The Nolan films are a great example of this. Same story with BR2049 and tons of others.

In addition, how much you benefit from the dynamic metadata formats (DV and HDR10+) depends on your TV’s HDR brightness. For example, for OLEDs and LED LCDs with peak brightness under 1,000 nits, the benefits of DV/HDR10+ are much more noticeable than on TVs with peak brightness well over 1,000 nits.

DV does have an advantage that HDR10+ does not and that’s the ability to reproduce a 12-bit signal (DV with an FEL (full enhancement layer). While no consumer 12-bit TVs are currently available, they will be in the future.

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Old Yesterday, 07:35 AM   #694
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I was talking about the TV market.

This was due to them sticking with plasma while most people wanted LCD & LED LCDs. One of the main problems is that it took too long for 1080p plasmas to hit the market.

I hope that they reconsider now that OLED is doing really well. Samsung is also releasing OLEDs (QD-OLED) very soon. If not in January then sometime during 2022 or January 2023.
(I have contacted Value Electronics in New York- they have the UB820 4K disc player in stock, and mid October they'll have Panasonic's new DP-UB9000P1K. Still waiting on a reply re:Panasonic OLED availablilty).

*EDIT...Value Electronics NY will not be carrying 2021 Panasonic OLED's. No word for 2022.

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My body is ready for J-Horror in 4K HDR Criterion.
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My body is ready for J-Horror in 4K HDR Criterion.
I think they'll be quite selective with the titles they put out in 4K, doubt they'll release every single movie they have a 4K master available on that format.

I just don't see some of the more obscure ones selling well enough to justify the added costs of producing a 4K disc for, especially if they've released it already on BD.
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