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Old 12-04-2020, 01:17 AM   #8001
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Not the biggest fan of LotR (only seen the three theatrical films, never dabbled with the extended editions), but with this release I figured why not, so I got it yesterday and I first watched Fellowship (theatrical).

Man it looks really great. The balrog scene in particular was breathtaking.

Going to watch the rest of the films (theatrical) next, and then tackle the extended editions. So far if Fellowship is a sign of things to come, I am more than happy with this purchase.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:41 AM   #8002
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In favor of the 4k releases;

Galadriel's eye.

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/8674

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I can make a few conclusions (for myself).

1. They did not reuse the old scans, they rescanned the film with better optics.
2. The old BluRays have more Chroma (color) artifacts which might be mistaken for more grain. I believe it caused by the older CCD in the scanner.
3. There IS more resolution in the 4k release but not by a whole lot more than 2k.
Might be because they used a 2k source, or the ARRIFLEX camera lenses they shot the movies with simply did not have enough resolution.

I believe the slightly higher resolution of the 4k release is because they had a better scanner with a better CCD, but the source material simply does not have enough resolution like modern 4k cameras can capture.
And again, don't confuse CCD pixel artifacts on the BluRay as "more grain", this is simply not the case.

This is the best version of the LOTR movies yet, even if it does not have full 4k resolution and has some (few) scenes with DNR.
Naysayers be nay saying forever.




1.Why the hell both release have same DR then if its scanned with better optics?

2. You are wrong if this was due to CCD vs CMOS scanner ( arriscan have cmos ) there would be a dynamic range difference on highlights.

3. What? do you even know technical stuff?
This was shot on Ultra Primes and those lenses resolves more than 4K resolution for sure.
I have shot 8K with UPs and it looked awesome.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:47 AM   #8003
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1.Why the hell both release have same DR then if its scanned with better optics?

2. You are wrong if this was due to CCD vs CMOS scanner ( arriscan have cmos ) there would be a dynamic range difference on highlights.

3. What? do you even know technical stuff?
This was shot on Ultra Primes and those lenses resolves more than 4K resolution for sure.
I have shot 8K with UPs and it looked awesome.
Unfortunately some people still want to be believe they are 2K upscales.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:51 AM   #8004
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Not sure if this was posted but a pretty good read....

https://highdefdiscnews.com/2020/12/...ay-review/?amp
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:55 AM   #8005
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Not sure if this was posted but a pretty good read....

https://highdefdiscnews.com/2020/12/...ay-review/?amp
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In fact, the extended version runs higher bitrates. On the first film, in its extended version, it hits 100Mbps or higher at least four or five times in the opening 8 minutes. That’s what I’d call impressive! Some films on 4K never manage to hit that high of a bitrate even once, let alone that many times in just that short of a runtime.
Actually a lot of UHDs punch above 100mbs briefly.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:58 AM   #8006
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Are you guys getting trailing artifacts all over the place in TTT? Some non VFX shots (namely at 27:18 / 27:29 / 31:38 and possibly others) have them on my end. I thought scanning the negative would get rid of stuff like that. What is happening?

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Are you guys getting trailing artifacts all over the place in TTT? Some non VFX shots (namely at 27:18 / 27:29 / 31:38 and possibly others) have them on my end. I thought scanning the negative would get rid of stuff like that. What is happening?

And what are you watching them on?
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:10 AM   #8008
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And what are you watching them on?
A Sony OLED KD55A8 55" not (yet) professionally calibrated.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:11 AM   #8009
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A Sony OLED KD55A8 55" not (yet) professionally calibrated.
Well it should not be motion issues then.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:33 AM   #8010
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Are you guys getting trailing artifacts all over the place in TTT? Some non VFX shots (namely at 27:18 / 27:29 / 31:38 and possibly others) have them on my end. I thought scanning the negative would get rid of stuff like that. What is happening?

Two Towers had a persistently 'smeary' look baked into the DI, if they've re-used any portions of it (bear in mind that not all VFX is in in-yer-face obvious) then it will carry across those trailing artefacts.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:37 AM   #8011
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Not sure if this was posted but a pretty good read....

https://highdefdiscnews.com/2020/12/...ay-review/?amp
This review makes a good point that many others have skipped:

While the discs themselves have no special features, if you redeem the digitial copies on iTunes via Movies Anywhere, you get them all. Appendices, commentaries, Costa Botes docs, everything.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:58 AM   #8012
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Unfortunately some people still want to be believe they are 2K upscales.
Here's what a no-VFX shot from the OCN for an originally 2K DI-based film remastered in real 4K looks like:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...24288&i=10&l=0
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https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...124370&i=7&l=0
Result: Huge uptick in natural detail, grain structure and fineness, frame geometry and positioning is slightly different

What's what a VFX shot from the filmout composite for an originally 2K DI-based film remastered in real 4K looks like:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...124298&i=1&l=0
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https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...124365&i=8&l=0
Result: Minimal increase in detail, but still different frame geometry and positioning

For comparison here's what a known straight 2K DI to 4K upscale looks like:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...119826&i=1&l=0
Result: Similar detail levels, identical frame geometry and positioning.

Since the LOTR 4Ks are upscales, that's why in both no-VFX and VFX shots we get similar detail, no better or finer grain, and identical frame geometry and positioning:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=48916&i=4&l=0

But that's when they are being nice, they often get creative with the digital sharpening, which results in ringing and aliasing:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...48923&i=11&l=0

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Old 12-04-2020, 03:03 AM   #8013
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Has anybody else tried playing this on a PS5 yet? I am going insane trying to troubleshoot an issue I'm having. When playing these movies on the PS5, the audio mix is broken. When outputting to my TV, I get no dialogue audio and other elements of the audio mix are completely missing. It is almost like the PS5 is only sending 2 channel audio out over HDMI, not the full mix. The only way that I can get the full audio to play is by forcing the console into AV Receiver - 2 Channel mode, or by plugging in a USB headset for USB audio. It is not an audio format problem, as I have tried all of the options.

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Old 12-04-2020, 03:10 AM   #8014
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Has anybody else tried playing this on a PS5 yet? I am going insane trying to troubleshoot an issue I'm having. When playing these movies on the PS5, the audio mix is broken. When outputting to my TV, I get no dialogue audio and other elements of the audio mix are completely missing. It is almost like the PS5 is only send 2 channel audio out over HDMI. The only way that I can get the full audio to play is by forcing the console into AV Receiver - 2 Channel mode, or by plugging in a USB headset for USB audio. It is not an audio format problem, as I have tried all of the options.
If I were you, I would sell the PS5 and get a 4K player or a Series X. PS5 is having some major problems right now (check some videos on youtube and twitter).
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:11 AM   #8015
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Two Towers had a persistently 'smeary' look baked into the DI, if they've re-used any portions of it (bear in mind that not all VFX is in in-yer-face obvious) then it will carry across those trailing artefacts.
They reused the whole damn 2002 master. Already said it 5 times, but the smearing baked into the 2002 DI that was on the DVDs is still there:

https://i.ibb.co/1qwBSd1/The-Two-Tow...-27-31-919.png
https://i.ibb.co/KwpLyvr/The-Two-Tow...-31-40-690.png

The first shot actually makes me dizzy with the swirling grass smear going every-which-way lol
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:13 AM   #8016
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If I were you, I would sell the PS5 and get a 4K player or a Series X. PS5 is having some major problems right now (check some videos on youtube and twitter).
I have a Series X and a another standalone player. Both of them working just fine for these movies. My PS5 has been fine for other movies. I watched Apocalypse Now the other day and had zero issues. This seems to be a problem specific to the combination of PS5 + These Discs. I'm just trying to see if I'm the only one having the problem.
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:13 AM   #8017
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He was talking about King Kong.
No I know. I was saying he can properly judge Kong because he’s seen it.
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:18 AM   #8018
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Two Towers had a persistently 'smeary' look baked into the DI, if they've re-used any portions of it (bear in mind that not all VFX is in in-yer-face obvious) then it will carry across those trailing artefacts.
Indeed. A closer look reveals that one of the shots (31:38) IS a VFX shot. They have added a gray cloud in the sky, because in a previous scene Legolas comments on the weather (red dawn). The camera then cuts to something else and then returns back to the original shot. The gray cloud is now gone and the video quality is fine again. So we have two versions of the same shot; one upscale and one in real 4K. Comparing the two could tell us a lot about this transfer.

It's insane, though, how many invisible VFX shots—and therefore dips in quality—there could be.
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At least some of them have watched the discs. But hey, let's just pretend all 3 of these film's weren't made for under 300 million dollars, with a lot of new tec, oh and the small matter of LOTR was deemed unfilmable.
This.
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:26 AM   #8020
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Indeed. A closer look reveals that one of the shots (31:38) IS a VFX shot. They have added a gray cloud in the sky, because in a previous scene Legolas comments on the weather (red dawn). The camera then cuts to something else and then returns back to the original shot. The gray cloud is now gone and the video quality is fine again. So we have two versions of the same shot; one upscale and one in real 4K. Comparing the two could tell us a lot about this transfer.

It's insane, though, how many invisible VFX shots—and therefore dips in quality—there could be.
Two Towers had ~800 VFX shots, so that's a fair amount of upscale boogaloo. Not that I'm someone who runs screaming from upscales, I wouldn't have 600+ UHD discs if that were the case, but in this situation they're having to deal with a pretty heavily processed source (being a very early DI) and when that's got even more DNR laid on top and is intercut with a new transfer of other shots then it's going to look even more funkay.

I actually said in this or the King Kong thread that the incredibly uneven look of that particular UHD disc w/ref to all the processing would be a potential marker as to what LOTR will look like; it's got a TON of weird stuff baked into the DI but also has some freshly added DNR at various points.
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