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Old 05-20-2021, 04:42 PM   #1
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I apologize if this has been covered. I have a 5.3 setup. If I want to use/hear Atmos, could I place any type of bookshelf speaker on top of my 2 front towers to accomplish this? Do they need to point up?
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I apologize if this has been covered. I have a 5.3 setup. If I want to use/hear Atmos, could I place any type of bookshelf speaker on top of my 2 front towers to accomplish this? Do they need to point up?
Yes, any type of speaker. Yes, point them up but at angle that the reflection would hit your listening position.

There are all kinds of speaker companies that make the Atmos modules for putting on top of tower speakers. If you got a pair of those, I'd put them on your surround towers, not the front ones.

Are in-ceiling speakers not doable? Since you're asking about bookshelves, I guess not, right.
What abut bookshelves mounted on your side walls and pointed down to your listening position?

Just a couple of thoughts.
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Yes, any type of speaker. Yes, point them up but at angle that the reflection would hit your listening position.

There are all kinds of speaker companies that make the Atmos modules for putting on top of tower speakers. If you got a pair of those, I'd put them on your surround towers, not the front ones.

Are in-ceiling speakers not doable? Since you're asking about bookshelves, I guess not, right.
What abut bookshelves mounted on your side walls and pointed down to your listening position?

Just a couple of thoughts.
Thanks for the reply. Wall or ceiling mount are not doable at this time. Why the surround towers over the front? In my setup, putting them on the front would be significantly easier for me as my back surrounds are kind of offset due to the room layout.
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I can't imagine just any speaker would work well at all as up-firers.

You're better getting dedicated upfirers designed to sit on top of tower speakers. They are designed for this. Up-firing is a delicate art as it is, if they aren't right you loose the effect.
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https://www.psbspeakers.com/product/...ified-speaker/

https://ca.pioneer-av.com/product/sp-t22a-lr/

https://www.elac.com/category/dolby-...d-on-speakers/

These might be along the lines of what you are seeking.

Dolby Atmos is pretty awesome and well worth getting into.
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https://www.psbspeakers.com/product/...ified-speaker/

https://ca.pioneer-av.com/product/sp-t22a-lr/

https://www.elac.com/category/dolby-...d-on-speakers/

These might be along the lines of what you are seeking.

Dolby Atmos is pretty awesome and well worth getting into.
I could be wrong, but for this type of thing, I would assume it would not make a huge deal on which brand, right? I went with the Sony pair since I could grab at BB real quick...

https://electronics.sony.com/audio/s...eakers/p/sscse
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Just noticed I went with the Sony pair, but they have no built in tweeter like the Elac. Any opinions on if that is necessary or preferable for Atmos?
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Just noticed I went with the Sony pair, but they have no built in tweeter like the Elac. Any opinions on if that is necessary or preferable for Atmos?
Yes, you would absolutely want a Tweeter + Woofer for ATMOS applications. A lot of ATMOS content will benefit from a Tweeter. I'm not a big fan of the ATMOS modules that up fire to reflect off of the ceiling but if you absolutely cannot do anything on the ceiling, then definitely get some modules that have a tweeter+woofer.
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Yes, you would absolutely want a Tweeter + Woofer for ATMOS applications. A lot of ATMOS content will benefit from a Tweeter. I'm not a big fan of the ATMOS modules that up fire to reflect off of the ceiling but if you absolutely cannot do anything on the ceiling, then definitely get some modules that have a tweeter+woofer.
So, if it were you, would you return these?

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSCSE-Do...1552095&sr=8-4

And then get these?

https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Dolby-A.../dp/B07B4P9TYJ
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Hey, it really depends on your budget and what other speakers you have already. For me personally, I always try to stay in the same Brand/Tweeter type for all of the speakers. This will ensure it is all timbre matched. I will say that for ATMOS, timbre matching is much less important due to just providing lower volume height effects. The bed channels (5.0/7.0) are more important to timbre match. As I mentioned though, if I have the option of a tweeter vs no tweeter, I would get the tweeter 100% of the time. I would aim for a 1" tweeter though. The ones on the ELAC are only 1/2" which is very small.
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Hey, it really depends on your budget and what other speakers you have already. For me personally, I always try to stay in the same Brand/Tweeter type for all of the speakers. This will ensure it is all timbre matched. I will say that for ATMOS, timbre matching is much less important due to just providing lower volume height effects. The bed channels (5.0/7.0) are more important to timbre match. As I mentioned though, if I have the option of a tweeter vs no tweeter, I would get the tweeter 100% of the time. I would aim for a 1" tweeter though. The ones on the ELAC are only 1/2" which is very small.
Budget is minimal. I have Infinity Primus P362 towers. What would you put on top? Elac, Klipsch R-41SA, or the Sony w/no tweeter?
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Budget is minimal. I have Infinity Primus P362 towers. What would you put on top? Elac, Klipsch R-41SA, or the Sony w/no tweeter?
Out of those 3, I would go with the Elac. They will probably be the most neutral of the bunch. The Klipsch will be the brightest and most likely won't blend as well. The Sony, as I previously mentioned would be not be a good option due to no tweeter and only having a woofer.
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Out of those 3, I would go with the Elac. They will probably be the most neutral of the bunch. The Klipsch will be the brightest and most likely won't blend as well. The Sony, as I previously mentioned would be not be a good option due to no tweeter and only having a woofer.
The Elacs or these Polks?

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Wa...62&sr=8-9&th=1
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If you have the chance to try each of them in your setup and play a few demos, I would strongly recommend it.
I'm not claiming to be an audiophile, but I could not disagree more with the earlier advice about timbre matching being less important in the step up towards ATMOS.
IMHO, it is the single most important thing and tweeters are hugely important with this.
While ceiling channels can be about panning ( which requires timbre matching to be seamlessly smooth), it is more often about creating a "bubble" of sound. ATMOS/DTS X soundtracks are designed to place "objects" in your room. They do this by using multiple speakers and complex algorithms (based on the receiver's setup routine). Timbre matching is vital to all of this. In the absence of being able to use a full complement of identical tweeters, you want to get them as close as possible.
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kind of the perfect thread to ask. Not front placement though. If I have to Atmos speakers up on the side wall. How far apart does the Front left speaker and rear left speaker need to be? mines like 4.5ft from each other. (single listening area)
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I’m sorry to be contrary but up firing speakers won’t give you the soundstage as down firing speakers.
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I’m sorry to be contrary but up firing speakers won’t give you the soundstage as down firing speakers.
I think you've missed a word? I assume you meant won't give you the same soundstage.

Because they do work, just with differences. They add a more dispersed vertical atmosphere to create the Atmos bubble, just not with the discrete directionality of ceiling speakers.

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kind of the perfect thread to ask. Not front placement though. If I have to Atmos speakers up on the side wall. How far apart does the Front left speaker and rear left speaker need to be? mines like 4.5ft from each other. (single listening area)
They sound like they're close together, but you can only place them where you can! Most of us with speakers in ordinary rooms as opposed to dedicated home cinema builds have to make some sort of compromise with placement.

I'd say get them as close to an ideal layout as you can, but then stop worrying about it and instead worry about angling the speakers correctly regarding MLP and calibrate as well as you are able to/feel confident with (auto or manual).

I like this article's relaxed reasoning from Cambridge audio. It's not totally relevant but the thought process is transferable.
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kind of the perfect thread to ask. Not front placement though. If I have to Atmos speakers up on the side wall. How far apart does the Front left speaker and rear left speaker need to be? mines like 4.5ft from each other. (single listening area)
Mine were about that far apart when I had them (basically the width of my TV which is 4.5 feet).
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