Need help with war pep talk for PS3 users

[oldmike]

i going to be doing a big board postings next week as if we can get just 1 in 10 PS3 to get 1 or more Blu-ray next week we will win it hands down
so what kind of things shoud i say what shoud i stay away from any ideas



over 5 mill PS3 1 in 10 geting a blu-ray is 500,000 Blu-rays sold

(mods can you replace will with with thanks)

[jorg]

alredy threds made about this please use the serch funtion

[oldmike]

kind of hard for some one othere then me to make a post then i am plaining to do posts next week to try to get PS3 users to help :P

[GasCat]

jorg - check that keyboard your A key is messed up.

Oldmike-If you are planning on doing this you must have some energy/initiative. If you can't find your answer with a search go to a "neutral" forum and look for Blu-Ray posts before they get deleted by the mods.

[javabear]

mention the awesome sales going on at circuit city, best buy and frys. It is the time to buy... a lot of blu-ray movies.

[T-Wrecks]

Convincing readers starts with the perception that you present a concise, intelligent, and polished argument.

[oldmike]

Originally Posted by T-Wrecks

Convincing readers starts with the perception that you present a concise, intelligent, and polished argument.

thats why i am asking for help :P my spelling is bad (in part as i am dislesic)
so far i plain to hit on how if we can win this week it shows that HD-DVD can never win and if the war is over they can make more cash selling blu-ray
and to show PS3 users can and do buy movies

othere things i dont know if i shoud hit on is
how the HD-DVDers are wrighting the PS3 users off (you know to get the ps3ers mad so they want to fight)
how once Blu-ray wins more will buy PS3 and that will make game makers WANT to work hard on PS3 games
and how sony is fighting 2 wars a format war and a gamesystem war once the format war is over they will have more time and $$ to put into PS3

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by oldmike

thats why i am asking for help :P my spelling is bad (in part as i am dislesic)
so far i plain to hit on how if we can win this week it shows that HD-DVD can never win and if the war is over they can make more cash selling blu-ray
and to show PS3 users can and do buy movies

No problem. I'll try a first pass and others can chime in with suggestions, corrections, additions (or if they feel something should be cut out).

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This is mostly to PS3 owners in the US and Canada (release dates elsewhere are often different), but parts of it apply to PS3 owners everywhere. We've just entered a critical phase for both the PS3 and the Blu-ray movie format, where the futures of both are tied to a large degree. The PS3 succeeding will help the success of the Blu-ray movie format and the Blu-ray movie format succeeding will help the success of the PS3.

The PS3 is currently in a battle as a game system, while it is also involved in the battle between the Blu-ray movie format and the HD DVD movie format. The time period between now and the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas starting January 7th, 2008 is critical because studio support could change near the end of the year or at that show, based on the performances of each format in this fourth quarter of 2007. Those who favor the PS3 and the Blu-ray movie format should obviously want any studio changes at that show to go in Blu-ray's direction, but even strictly gamers who prefer the PS3 would likely be better off in the long run if the Blu-ray movie format can gain another advantage between now and the end of that show, like Warner going exclusive to Blu-ray and/or Universal going neutral (or exclusive to Blu-ray). Real disc sales are likely to sway studios like these much more than petitions.

Those who have been following the movie format battle likely know that Paramount/Dreamworks dropped Blu-ray as they went from neutral to HD DVD exclusively (a major newspaper reported $150 million in incentives from Toshiba were involved). Paramount/DW biggest day-and-date title (Transformers) will be released on HD DVD October 16th and this is HD DVD's best chance this year to outsell Blu-ray for a week by Nielsen count. If they are able to win the week, then the ratio which they win by will be scrutinized, as Blu-ray has won many weeks by 2:1 and the HD DVD camp would love to do that.

Fortunately, a couple of Blu-ray studios along with some retailers have made it easier for those who want Blu-ray movies to get them at great prices this week, with various buy-one-get-one (BOGO) free deals going on, along with a great deal for Planet Earth on Blu-ray at outpost.com for $50 plus shipping. For those who don't know, Planet Earth has been called the best thing ever shown on television by some and has a 9.8 out of 10 rating from users on imdb.com here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0795176/

As far as the week that the HD DVD camp would like to win by Nielsen count, sales are counted for Monday 10/15/2007 through Sunday 10/21/2007. For online places like Amazon the day they ship is the day that should count for Nielsen. Also, Wal-Mart is not counted in Nielsen, although Blu-ray sales are still important to Wal-Mart.

Those are some of the reasons to help out the cause, but these BOGO deals are an extra special bargain too.

Here is a list of places doing BOGO deals:

(list goes here).

There are lots of other great titles out there that aren't part of the BOGO deals also.

Sales for neutral titles in the Nielsen charts are also very important (and likely especially important to the one major neutral studio, Warner). Some upcoming titles from Warner where the sales ratios between the Blu-ray version and the HD DVD version are likely to be scrutinized closely are:

October 23rd:
* 2001: A Space Odyssey
* A Clockwork Orange
* Eyes Wide Shut
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition
* The Shining (1980)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two

October 30th:
* License to Wed

November 6th:
* The Aviator

November 13th:
* Ocean's Thirteen
* That’s Entertainment: The Complete Collection

November 27th:
* The Omega Man

December 11th:
* Harry Potter movies (all of them)
* Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same

December 18th:
* Bladerunner

We don't want people spending their family's food money on Blu-ray discs, but if you feel inclined to help the format that your PS3 plays, this week especially and also until the end of the year would be a good time to show support and get some great content in the process. PS3 owners are a big enough group that more owners just buying one or two Blu-ray releases could have a big impact on the overall disc sales and on the future of the Blu-ray format (and thus the future success of the PS3, both for gaming and movies).

If you get some titles, make sure to enjoy them. Many of us have found the joy of great Blu-ray movies, concerts, and other content.

PS: For those who wish to converse with others who support the Blu-ray movie format, www.blu-ray.com is a great site for this.

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I would probably only add that last part about this place if it was a PS3 or Playstation board, not a general board, but that probably applies to the rest also.

--Darin

[T-Wrecks]

* Studio support comparison
* bitrate comparison/why it is important
* Professional companies choosing Blu-ray as the storage medium of choice
* storage capacity comparison
* nielsen ratings here in the US
* sales ratio vs. HD-DVD in Europe/Japan/outside of the
* PS3 sales

Also, some members on this site have started their own website which has a lot of nice info.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by darinp2

No problem. I'll try a first pass and others can chime in with suggestions, corrections, additions (or if they feel something should be cut out).

That's awesome Darin. Are you in Marketing or something?

Only one suggestion, you use "Nielsen" in there without explaining what it is, or what is the significance it holds. Maybe it will be better if you expand on that part a bit?

enjoy
gandalf

[HMtheJJ]

i think u hardly have to worry about it, today I was at local FutureShop and they pretty much sold out all the Disney Movies!!!!!!!!!!!! it's CRAZY, BluRay seciton is kinda empty!!!! in a good way

i just bought all the Disney movies, it's gonna take a long time for me to finish them all.

[oldmike]

yes to bad thous are this weeks sale not next

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by HMtheJJ

i think u hardly have to worry about it, today I was at local FutureShop and they pretty much sold out all the Disney Movies!!!!!!!!!!!! it's CRAZY, BluRay seciton is kinda empty!!!! in a good way

i just bought all the Disney movies, it's gonna take a long time for me to finish them all.

Whoa. I was waiting for Monday to pick them up so they will be counted in Nielsen opposing Transformers. I hope they're going to get a new shipment soon. Sony better get those BD pressing lines cranking full-time.

enjoy
gandalf

P.S. My 700th post!

[HMtheJJ]

so? all the movies that i bought tonite won't count against Transformers, eh?

hmmm.... maybe I should return all the unopened and back to play some more F1 , then buy them all on Tuesday.

p.s. does Canadian sales count anyway?

[oldmike]

think so all NA i think count

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by gand41f

That's awesome Darin. Are you in Marketing or something?

Thanks I'm an engineer, but I was asked if I wanted to move to Marketing once. I enjoy engineering as a job, but thinking about the marketing angles (while still being honest), so I stayed with engineering.

Originally Posted by gand41f

Only one suggestion, you use "Nielsen" in there without explaining what it is, or what is the significance it holds. Maybe it will be better if you expand on that part a bit?

Good idea. I'll try to add something later. I also want to add something about how there are more ways to help than just buying movies. One of the biggest is to pass on the message about the great Blu-ray movie deals this week to people they know who own a PS3 and might not have heard about them (or even be aware of the Blu-ray movie capability of the PS3).

--Darin

[richteer]

Originally Posted by HMtheJJ

i think u hardly have to worry about it, today I was at local FutureShop and they pretty much sold out all the Disney Movies!!!!!!!!!!!! it's CRAZY, BluRay seciton is kinda empty!!!! in a good way

i just bought all the Disney movies, it's gonna take a long time for me to finish them all.

Same here in Kelowna, BC: Futureshop seemed to have sold out of Blu! Incidentally, the last few times I've been there, I've bumped into a couple of people looking through the Blu section. Only once did I see someone eyeing up their (small) HD DVD section, and he didn't buy anything. :-)

[so n so]

This is somewhat our of place.

Write a letter to Sony. Tell them (believe they may be doing it with new 40gb PS3) to include Blu Ray with all PS3's, one with outstanding picture quality, in the box or picked p from store (not that waiting 10 weeks stuff in the mail) Also, include an insert somewhere where it will be seen that an HDTV is needed to appreciate the difference with Blu Ray disc.

Include 'propaganda' with all PS3s & Blu Ray disc players, i.e. Blu selling more than any other HD format & most studio support and CE support to date so even "lay" people who buy PS3 can express to others Blu is dominant.

Sony, give free Blu Ray disc with Sony HDTV sets and maybe get some of the other hardware supporters to do the same. No Sony HDTV (and possibly brands of other Blu Ray Hardware supporters) should be sold without inserts with information about Blu Ray, how it looks so much better than standard DVD and upconverted DVD, and how blu is the top selling HD format.

[darinp2]

I'm going to try some modifications. EDIT: I took the bolding out to make it easier to cut and paste and added a link for bestbuy.com

--- start cut here ---

This is mostly to PS3 owners in the US and Canada (release dates elsewhere are often different), but parts of it apply to PS3 owners everywhere. We've just entered a critical phase for both the PS3 and the Blu-ray movie format, where the futures of both are tied to a large degree. The PS3 succeeding will help the success of the Blu-ray movie format and the Blu-ray movie format succeeding will help the success of the PS3.

The PS3 is currently in a battle as a game system, while it is also involved in the battle between the Blu-ray movie format and the HD DVD movie format. The time period between now and the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas starting January 7th, 2008 is critical because studio support could change near the end of the year or at that show, based on the performances of each format in this fourth quarter of 2007. Those who favor the PS3 and the Blu-ray movie format should obviously want any studio changes at that show to go in Blu-ray's direction, but even strictly gamers who prefer the PS3 would likely be better off in the long run if the Blu-ray movie format can gain another advantage between now and the end of that show, like Warner going exclusive to Blu-ray and/or Universal going neutral (or exclusive to Blu-ray). Real disc sales are likely to sway studios like these much more than petitions.

Those who have been following the movie format battle likely know that Paramount/Dreamworks dropped Blu-ray as they went from neutral to HD DVD exclusively (a major newspaper reported $150 million in incentives from Toshiba were involved). Paramount/DW biggest day-and-date title (Transformers) will be released on HD DVD October 16th and this is HD DVD's best chance this year to outsell Blu-ray for a week by Nielsen count (Nielsen/Videoscan track software sales, with relative ratios reported each week by HomeMediaMagazine and detailed figures going to companies who pay for them). If HD DVD is able to win the week, then the ratio which they win by will be scrutinized, as Blu-ray has won many weeks by 2:1 and the HD DVD camp would love to do that.

Fortunately, a couple of Blu-ray studios along with some retailers have made it easier for those who want Blu-ray movies to get them at great prices this week, with various buy-one-get-one (BOGO) free deals going on, along with a great deal for Planet Earth on Blu-ray at outpost.com for $50 plus shipping. For those who don't know, Planet Earth has been called the best thing ever shown on television by some and has a 9.8 out of 10 rating from users on imdb.com here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0795176/

As far as the week that the HD DVD camp would like to win by Nielsen count, sales are counted for Monday 10/15/2007 through Sunday 10/21/2007. For online places like Amazon the day they ship is the day that should count for Nielsen. Also, Wal-Mart is not counted in Nielsen, although Blu-ray sales are still important to Wal-Mart.

Those are some of the reasons to help out the cause, but these BOGO deals are an extra special bargain too.

Here is a list of places doing BOGO deals:

* Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...blurayforum-20

* Best Buy (in stores and on bestbuy.com at http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....at132800050022 )

* Target

* Frys (in stores and at www.frys.com with the link for the sale on the right side of the front page)

* Future Shop

There are lots of other great titles out there that aren't part of the BOGO deals also.

Sales for neutral titles in the Nielsen charts are also very important (and likely especially important to the one major neutral studio, Warner). Some upcoming titles from Warner where the sales ratios between the Blu-ray version and the HD DVD version are likely to be scrutinized closely are:

October 23rd:
* 2001: A Space Odyssey
* A Clockwork Orange
* Eyes Wide Shut
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition
* The Shining (1980)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two

October 30th:
* License to Wed

November 6th:
* The Aviator

November 13th:
* Ocean's Thirteen
* That’s Entertainment: The Complete Collection

November 27th:
* The Omega Man

December 11th:
* Harry Potter movies (all of them)
* Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same

December 18th:
* Bladerunner

We don't want people spending their family's food money on Blu-ray discs, but if you feel inclined to help the format that your PS3 plays, this week especially and also until the end of the year would be a good time to show support and get some great content in the process. PS3 owners are a big enough group that more owners just buying one or two Blu-ray releases could have a big impact on the overall disc sales and on the future of the Blu-ray format (and thus the future success of the PS3, both for gaming and movies). One way to help other than buying movies yourself is to get the word out about these great BOGO deals this week to other PS3 owners you know who may not be aware of them (and may not even be aware of the Blu-ray movie playing capability of their PS3).

If you get some titles, make sure to enjoy them. Many of us have found the joy of great Blu-ray movies, concerts, and other content.

PS: For those who wish to converse with others who support the Blu-ray movie format, www.blu-ray.com is a great site for this.

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I looked through Circuit City's ad and online and didn't see any mention of them having one of these. Anybody know places besides Amazon, Best Buy, Target, and Future Shop that are having these? I'm also not sure if the direct links to Amazon and Best Buy will work for other people, so I may have to modify those.

oldmike,

Did you want to post this somewhere for PS3 owners?

--Darin

[WriteSimply]

Darin, this is the BestBuy link.


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