Sticking your foot in your mouth

[GasCat]

I think it would be funny to search out the OLD claims made by so-called experts and post them here. I have a great one by Joe Kane, the person who is known for a calibration disk. His company came out with an HD-DVD version of his product but to this day he refuses to release a Blu-Ray one.

Way to stick to your guns Joe. You're an idiot.

From Jul 18th 2006:

TV calibration expert Joe Kane's take on high-def video formats
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/18...t/#commentform

He is stating that Blu-ray is all about greed. Why? Because they are using MPEG-2. He is basing this opinion on personal experiences of demoing VC-1 and MPEG-2 where not a single person failed to see the differences.

[airwedge1]

Didn't sony (bluray) want to collaborate with toshiba in the first place to develop one standard. Isn't the BDA an assortment of many, many companies. While hd dvd is basically just Toshiba. Didn't hd dvd come late in the game compared to blu ray, and hence are responsible for creating the format war in the first place. All the big companies are greedy, and want money, but Toshiba by far takes the price of being the most greedy.

[mikesoba]

Are you suggesting corporations make money and the more money the better? When I think greed, I'm not inclined to think so much about disposable income products, like HD discs, as I am gasoline and food prices.

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by airwedge1

Didn't sony (bluray) want to collaborate with toshiba in the first place to develop one standard. Isn't the BDA an assortment of many, many companies. While hd dvd is basically just Toshiba. Didn't hd dvd come late in the game compared to blu ray, and hence are responsible for creating the format war in the first place. All the big companies are greedy, and want money, but Toshiba by far takes the price of being the most greedy.

That's not the way I heard it. Toshiba made DVD. They get royalties from each disc/player as a result.

The BDA was formed and Toshiba broke way from it. They started the HD-DVD format (guess who gets the royaties) and it was rushed onto the market before Blu-Ray.

Toshiba thought if they put HD-DVD out there first it would be accepted and Blu-Ray would not have a chance. It almost worked too until the PS3 sales added up.

Paramount was recently paid 150 million dollars if they went HD-DVD only, why do you think they did that? It starts with a "G".

[airwedge1]

Originally Posted by GasCat

That's not the way I heard it. Toshiba made DVD. They get royalties from each disc/player as a result.

The BDA was formed and Toshiba broke way from it. They started the HD-DVD format (guess who gets the royaties) and it was rushed onto the market before Blu-Ray.

I thought thats basically what I said. Toshiba is the biggest scheister here. If they didn't decide to go do there own thing, and want all the money from the next-gen format, then the format war wouldn't exist, and toshiba would still have a piece of the loyalties pie, since they could have been part of BDA. In actuality Toshiba, and everyone else would probably have boat loads more money then they do now, if Toshiba would not have been dicks. No paying 150 million to studios for exclusivity. No BOGO deals, no selling players at losses. but no Toshiba has to be greedy *******s, and want everything to themselves, like they had DVD all to themselves. **** them.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by GasCat

I think it would be funny to search out the OLD claims made by so-called experts and post them here. I have a great one by Joe Kane, the person who is known for a calibration disk. His company came out with an HD-DVD version of his product but to this day he refuses to release a Blu-Ray one.

Way to stick to your guns Joe. You're an idiot.

There's a BD version of DVE coming out. It was actually supposed to be next week, I think, but it got pushed back.

[mavlow]

I am seeing a lot of people saying Greed, last time i checked all these corporaitions are out there for one purpose...to make money. It has nothing to do with greed. They are just doing what they think is best for there companies.

[Terjyn]

This whole war is the 'Prisoner's Dilemma' in action.

[Brain Sturgeon]

Originally Posted by mavlow

I am seeing a lot of people saying Greed, last time i checked all these corporaitions are out there for one purpose...to make money. It has nothing to do with greed. They are just doing what they think is best for their share prices.

There... fixed it for you.

Yeah, when I read that quote by Joe Kane, I had one of those "WTF?" moments. How is using a proven codec that is used for the most popular media format ever (DVD) as well as for many OTA/Sat/Cable broadcasts about greed? MPEG-2 still works great, even for HiDef video, although not as efficiently as VC-1 or AVC (MPEG-4).

Speaking of VC-1, last I checked, that was a M$ codec; and what? M$ is not about greed? Gimme a freakin' break. M$ is only good at using their vast financial resources into developing other peoples' ideas for themselves to make more money. Name the last major innovation that M$ came up with.... <crickets>

I would think that industry standard codecs, like MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, that are developed by a large consortium of expert members in the field, should be used over codecs like VC-1, developed by a single corporation which collects all of the royalties, if you are really worried about "greed".

Although, lets not fool ourselves, everyone is out to make a buck.

Reading that quote knocked Joe Kane a number of notches down in my respect book.

I do love that a Blu-ray version of HDV Essentials is coming out. Now, do we think that was influenced by greed? Maybe someone has been peeking at the Nielsen/VideoScan numbers?

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by mavlow

I am seeing a lot of people saying Greed, last time i checked all these corporaitions are out there for one purpose...to make money. It has nothing to do with greed. They are just doing what they think is best for there companies.

Other than a financial company I challenge you to find a company's website where they proclaim "we are here to make money!"

You are using the perverted form of a corporation popularized by films such as Wall Street. Find a statement of purpose of a corporation, a business plan or a statement of business. (You know the ones they hang up on the walls.) You will not see anything to do with money.

Go to any Economics major or professor and see how they react to your statement.

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

There... fixed it for you.

Yeah, when I read that quote by Joe Kane, I had one of those "WTF?" moments. How is using a proven codec that is used for the most popular media format ever (DVD) as well as for many OTA/Sat/Cable broadcasts about greed? MPEG-2 still works great, even for HiDef video, although not as efficiently as VC-1 or AVC (MPEG-4).

Speaking of VC-1, last I checked, that was a M$ codec; and what? M$ is not about greed? Gimme a freakin' break. M$ is only good at using their vast financial resources into developing other peoples' ideas for themselves to make more money. Name the last major innovation that M$ came up with.... <crickets>

I would think that industry standard codecs, like MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, that are developed by a large consortium of expert members in the field, should be used over codecs like VC-1, developed by a single corporation which collects all of the royalties, if you are really worried about "greed".

Although, lets not fool ourselves, everyone is out to make a buck.

Reading that quote knocked Joe Kane a number of notches down in my respect book.

I do love that a Blu-ray version of HDV Essentials is coming out. Now, do we think that was influenced by greed? Maybe someone has been peeking at the Nielsen/VideoScan numbers?

Good post. That's really the point of this thread is to review the predictions of those who are supposedly "in the know" and reflect on their statements. These are the ones who supposedly know what they are doing or do they?

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

I would think that industry standard codecs, like MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, that are developed by a large consortium of expert members in the field, should be used over codecs like VC-1, developed by a single corporation which collects all of the royalties, if you are really worried about "greed".

You hit the nail on the head. Having standards that allow a broader audience to participate without being at a disadvantage is better for innovation, consumer choice, lower price. The more open the better..