3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

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While its nice to see this Epson LS12000 simulated 4K LCD projector offering the HDR10, HDR10+, and HLG feature. In the ideal world projectors also need to start offering the Dolby Vision HDR feature. So, the negative of this $4,999 projector is there is no native 4K light engines, no Dolby Vision HDR, and no legacy Blu-ray 3D support.

An entry level $5,500 Sony LCOS projector or an entry level $6,000 JVC LCOS projector would be much better since those two companies are the only consumer projectors on the market that offer native 4K light engines with legacy 1080P Blu-ray 3D support. Unless one is looking at a high-end DLP projector setup for $150,000-$400,000+ that offers native 4K with 3D support, the LCOS models from Sony and JVC are a real bargain.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

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Christine has invested a lot of money in advanced robotic and automation factories so that the new state of the art MicroTitles that will be used in futuristic super large and thin wall screens will become a reality. Something similar to what one sees in James Cameron’s Avatar movie extended edition (Jake Sully’s apartment display on the wall is awesome looking). The current MicroTitles models are 4K but by around the year 2026 there should be some 8K MicroTitles. The current specs are 100,000 hours of operational life. The display can be made in any shape and size.

However the current specs for the MicroTitles only supports active 3D at 120Hz (60Hz using 3:2 pulldown judder for each eye when film based material is watched). In the ideal world the 8K resolution MicroTitles should offer active and passive 3D at 144Hz (72Hz for each eye). So hopefully Christine will offer that feature with either a firmware update or with newer models. 16K resolution MicoTitles in the year 2036 might become a reality, but 8K resolution ones most likely around 2026 and 4K ones for now.

select quotes are from second website link:

"Individual tiles automatically detect and self-locate using the IR Neighbor Detection capability while the sensor-based AutoMatch™ feature automatically matches color and brightness to achieve >97% uniformity across the entire display for the entire operational lifetime."

"Installation is a breeze with the cabinet-free, Click-n-Go™ magnetic tiles which have been designed to eliminate alignment requirements, drastically increasing installation speed."

https://www.svconline.com/the-wire/c...uring-capacity

https://www.microtiles.com/#section-header

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

While its nice to see this Epson LS12000 simulated 4K LCD projector offering the HDR10, HDR10+, and HLG feature. In the ideal world projectors also need to start offering the Dolby Vision HDR feature. So, the negative of this $4,999 projector is there is no native 4K light engines, no Dolby Vision HDR, and no legacy Blu-ray 3D support.

An entry level $5,500 Sony LCOS projector or an entry level $6,000 JVC LCOS projector would be much better since those two companies are the only consumer projectors on the market that offer native 4K light engines with legacy 1080P Blu-ray 3D support. Unless one is looking at a high-end DLP projector setup for $150,000-$400,000+ that offers native 4K with 3D support, the LCOS models from Sony and JVC are a real bargain.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

Dolby will not certify a consumer projector. They don't meet their requirements. That's why there are no DV consumer projectors.

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Dolby will not certify a consumer projector. They don't meet their requirements. That's why there are no DV consumer projectors.

However, one day Dolby might certify a consumer projector if the projector industry and Dolby work together to offer the Dolby Vision HDR feature. A $500 flat panel screen has Dolby Vision HDR, but a $100,000+ consumer projector is limited to HDR10 and HDR10+ for the new models.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

However, one day Dolby might certify a consumer projector if the projector industry and Dolby work together to offer the Dolby Vision HDR feature. A $500 flat panel screen has Dolby Vision HDR, but a $100,000+ consumer projector is limited to HDR10 and HDR10+ for the new models.

That TV can do the necessary nits that Dolby requires from DV. The projectors can't.

You are aware that Dolby Cinema uses twin laser projectors. One for SDR and the other for the HDR highlights. That's probably the only way a consumer projector could get DV certified - have a twin projector setup some how. Either SbS or T/B. Same way the old 3 CRT PJs did it for extra brightness.

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That TV can do the necessary nits that Dolby requires from DV. The projectors can't.

You are aware that Dolby Cinema uses twin laser projectors. One for SDR and the other for the HDR highlights. That's probably the only way a consumer projector could get DV certified - have a twin projector setup some how. Either SbS or T/B. Same way the old 3 CRT PJs did it for extra brightness.

Yes two top of the line 4K Christie projectors in a Dolby Cinema theater and IMAX theater do offer certified Dolby Vision HDR feature. So yes I would love to see home projectors offering Dolby Vision HDR with two projectors. For many years I have suggested that consumer DLP projectors and consumer LCOS projectors should offer a dual projector setup for the Blu-ray 3D format. 3D looks much better in a IMAX and Dolby Cinema theater because of the two DLP projectors that offer native 48fps on the screen (24fps for each eye). Non Dolby Cinema and non IMAX theaters only have one Christie DLP projector or one Sony LCOS projector. In a single DLP projector setup using passive glasses the native 48fps 3D movie is tripe flashed on the screen at 144fps (72fps for each eye). Which is not as good of 3D when compared to a dual projector setup that uses 24fps for each eye with no need to triple flash.

Another issue is that there is two Dolby Vision HDR standards. There is Dolby Vision HDR for the Cinema and Dolby Vision HDR home format. While the high end top of the line DLP projectors for the home should use both Dolby Vision HDR formats, the lower cost projectors under $60,000 could just use the home version of Dolby Vision HDR since most consumers are not going to have access to Cinema quality Dolby Vision HDR and instead will get their Dolby Vision from 4K Blu-ray and 4K streaming sources.

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This JVC DLA-RS1100 4K Projector has a true native 4K light engine. Still no Dolby Vision HDR from any consumer projector, but does offer HDR10+ and also has legacy Blu-ray 3D feature.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

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Still no LCD projectors or consumer DLP projectors with a native 4K light engine. Native 4K is still exclusive on LCOS projectors from JVC and Sony.

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"The native resolution of the 3-LCD imager is 1080p, but Epson uses a two-way pixel shifting technique it calls 4K PRO-UHD to put more pixels on the screen. It's a tried-and-true process that does put more resolution on screen, but it's not native 4K."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

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"Native 4K SXRD panel with full 3840×2160 resolution"

https://www.residentialsystems.com/t...aser-projector

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While the entry level Sony XW5000ES 4K HDR Laser Projector is an amazing projector for the low cost of $6,000 according to the Sound and Vision magazine review, I was disappointed to learn that this new model to make that low price point removed the legacy Blu-ray 3D feature plus it dropped the native 4096 x 2160P resolution to offer only the consumer grade 3840 x 2160P mode. Hopefully Sony and JVC will retain the legacy Blu-ray 3D feature on most of their LCOS projectors. Many people buy a projector to get the 3D feature that was dropped from all flat panel screens 7 years ago. Also, the professional DCI 4096 x 2160P is a nice feature but is not used by 95% of consumers since most people only have access to the home 4K resolution format which is 3840 x 2160P.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“The projector's laser light source has a 20,000 hour rating, which is a significant improvement over traditional bulb-based projectors—the 325ES bulb was rated at 6,000 hours.”

“The main difference to note is that the projector now uses a laser light source instead of a bulb. Additionally, the new imagers are native UHD, with a resolution of 2,160 x 3,840 pixels. This is different from older models, which had a resolution of DCI 4K, or 4,096 x 2,160 pixels.”

“Like Sony's previous entry-level 4K home theater projectors, the lens is not as high-quality as those used in more expensive models. However, the lens is sharp enough to produce clear images from a normal viewing distance. The main difference with the XW5000ES versus older models like the 325ES is that the lens is now manual, which can make initial installation more challenging (focusing becomes a two person job). However, since installation is typically a one-time process, sacrificing powered zoom, shift, and focus is perhaps a worthwhile trade-off for the benefits of a laser light source at this price point.”

“So why is the XW5000ES the winner in my book? Because the XW5000ES performs almost identically to the JVC but is less expensive and features a laser light source.”

“The JVC DLA-NP5 has an advantage over the Sony when it comes to HDR and tone mapping. “

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

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Samsung just came out with an OLED flat panel screen that has a better picture quality then anything that Sony and LG has to offer currently. The display offers 144Hz for 2D gaming. It is just sad to see that when 144Hz is finally offered on a flat panel display that there is no Blu-ray 3D option.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...93&postcount=8

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I see now that for the first time a native 8K DLP imaging chip has been developed with a resolution of 7680 x 4320P with the new Digital Projection Insight Laser 8K projector. I do not see a price on this projector but I believe it might cost $300,000-$400,000+. Maybe more. It’s for professional installations in a commercial movie theater, big business, or a mansion home theater room.

Perhaps in 2026+ consumers might start seeing IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters being upgraded to dual 8K DLP projectors. With movies being shown in theaters at native 8K quality for 2D and 3D content. Currently IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters are at native 4K quality.


https://www.digitalprojection.com/en...ser-8k-gen-ii/ (neat new native 8K DLP projector)

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I see now that for the first time a native 8K DLP imaging chip has been developed with a resolution of 7680 x 4320P with the new Digital Projection Insight Laser 8K projector. I do not see a price on this projector but I believe it might cost $300,000-$400,000+. Maybe more. It’s for professional installations in a commercial movie theater, big business, or a mansion home theater room.

Perhaps in 2026+ consumers might start seeing IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters being upgraded to dual 8K DLP projectors. With movies being shown in theaters at native 8K quality for 2D and 3D content. Currently IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters are at native 4K quality.


https://www.digitalprojection.com/en...ser-8k-gen-ii/ (neat new native 8K DLP projector)

I have been in communication with Digital Projection INC about the Insight Laser II projector with 37,000 Lumens (part #120-783), the projector has a list price of $249,999, plus one needs to choose a lens that costs between $14,995 to $27,275. Therefore one is looking at a minimum cost of around $278,000 for the 8K projector plus taxes if one chooses the part #117-310 lens for $27,273. Plus, if one wants a 5-year warranty it costs an additional $30,000. So around $300,000 for a single Insight Laser II native 8K DLP Laser projector. In a dual projector IMAX or Dolby Cinema style setup that would use two Insight Laser II native 8K projectors, the price would be around $600,000+. The Insight Laser II native 8K projector works with both passive and active glasses. But most people choose passive glasses for the system.

In a single 8K DLP projector setup and also a dual 8K DLP projector setup the Insight Laser II can offer true 8K quality 3D at 7680 x 4320 resolution at 120Hz (60Hz for each eye) by using 12GB SDI dual pipe without using flashing technology. At this time the legacy old frame pack 3D format that Blu-ray 3D started using in 2010, is not supported from the Insight Laser II projector. There is a possibility that a future firmware update to the projector might not add frame packed support either, since frame packed technology is an old 2K (1080P) format. People purchasing these Insight Laser II native 8K projectors are mainly using them with both 2D and 3D material with native 8K and 4K resolution source material. Over a fiber connection or satellite connection one can purchase the latest Hollywood movies downloaded to a computer solid state drive or hard drive. So, this system supports native 8K 3D and 8K 2D quality from one projector (or two projectors for better 3D quality with double the lumens output). Therefore, supporting the old legacy 13 year old Blu-ray 3D format is not a priority. Maybe one day if there is enough demand the BDA could develop a new Blu-ray 3D format that supports native 4K 3D or native 8K 3D.

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New native 4K DMD DLP 0.94 inch imaging chip to be used in the coming 2026+ pixel shifting 8K Laser projectors

The good news is that Texas Instruments and Hisense have developed a new low cost native 4K DMD imaging chip that will be used on new 8K pixel shifting DLP Laser projectors in future years (maybe in the year 2026+ many DLP companies might be using this new native 4K DMD imaging chip). All or most current under $100,000 DLP projectors in general use a 0.47 inch DMD 1080P imaging chip with pixel shifting technology to simulate 4K quality. With this new native 4K DMD imaging chip, so called 4K DLP projectors will not have to use pixel shifting technology that simulates 4K resolution, but instead will be able to offer true native 3840 x 2160P (4K) resolution from the imaging chip. It is estimated that the first DLP projectors using this new native 4K DLP imaging chip will cost between $25,000-$30,000 (That is a lot cheaper compared to the $100,000+ DLP projectors with native 4K DMD imaging chips). However all or most DLP projectors that will use this new 4K DMD imaging chip will most likely be using a four phase pixel shifting technology to simulate 8K resolution. But in the ideal world Texas Instruments should be working on a native 8K DMD imaging chip for the year 2026+, so that consumers do not have to go through another 10 years of using pixel shifting technology like they did for 10 years with the simulated 4K DLP projectors using pixel shifting technology. JVC and Sony most likely in the year 2026+ will be releasing a native 8K LCOS projector that does not use any pixel shifting. It would be terrible for the consumer if they have to wait another 10 years to get native 8K from a consumer DLP projector.


The following is a quote from page 13 of the January/February 2023 Sound and Vision magazine article


“Samsung also announced one of the industry's first 8K UST projectors. A prototype for its new Premiere 8K triple-laser was demonstrated possibly using the same new 0.94-inch DLP chip co-developed by Texas Instruments and Hisense. The chipset is said to use a native 4K DMD with four-phase pixel shifting applied to achieve the 33 million pixels on screen required for 8K. This is similar to what's done today to achieve 4K with a 0.47-inch native 1080p DMD in many DLP projectors, or to what JVC does with the native 4K LCoS chips in its premium projectors to achieve 8K.”

https://www.widescreenreview.com/wsr_issuedetail.php?current

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"The OLED category, in particular, has seen significant gains, with LG claiming a 70% gain and peak brightness levels now easily surpassing 1,000 nits, which is sufficient to display most HDR content without requiring tone mapping.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ght-4k-uhd-tvs

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

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"The OLED category, in particular, has seen significant gains, with LG claiming a 70% gain and peak brightness levels now easily surpassing 1,000 nits, which is sufficient to display most HDR content without requiring tone mapping.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ght-4k-uhd-tvs

Only the latest high-end 2023+ flat panels are starting to get to the point where tone mapping is not needed for most scenes in the movie (the ideal flat panel has not been made yet that needs no tone mapping for all scenes in the movie). The displays might have to surpass 3,000+ nit one day in order to offer no tone mapping for all scenes in the movie.

As brighter flat panels are made and brighter projectors are made, then tone mapping will no longer be needed since in the future the best displays will not use tone mapping and will be able to display the full spectrum of Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ has to offer with no tone mapping. However most consumers need tone mapping now and that is an excellent feature that Panasonic has to offer over other 4K Blu-ray players on the market. Hopefully Sony and JVC will also start making very bright LCOS projectors with deep black levels that offer the full spectrum of HDR without tone mapping. That has not occurred yet. The high-end very bright DLP projectors should also one day be able to do HDR with no tone mapping. Having a 100,000+ LUMIS projector with Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ in the future should in theory require no tone mapping.

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"The JVC DLA-RS2100 is an LCoS projector with a powerful laser light engine rated for 20,000 hours. It has a myriad of calibration options and supports FilmMaker Mode along with HDR10, HDR10+, and HLG formats."

"The DLA-RS2100 is priced in the middle of JVC’s DLA models at $11,000. It has most of the features of the flagship DLA-RS4100 which costs $26,000. The main difference is its light output, 2,200 versus 3,000 lumens. The RS2100 is still plenty bright enough for medium to large theaters or media rooms with some ambient light and an ALR screen."

https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/