The Official Klipsch Subwoofer Owners Thread

[Jim Hawkins]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

For a serious home theater, it is NOT.For a bedroom or casual living room set up, it is alright.
I've owned the RW 12D for 5 years. When I got the SVS PB12-NSD, there was a HUGE difference. It was night and day. I hear stuffs that I never heard with the RW 12D.

The RW-12D is now in my living room setup.

If you have $600+ in your budget, buy a different sub.

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

Jeez, you guys need to chill out. That is not what I was saying at all. You are reading stuffs too literally.

All I was saying is that if he is after great/punchy/commanding bass, he should not get the RW-12D. On the other end, if he was just after some bass for a casual listening/watching environment, then he would be okay with the RW-12D.

It has nothing to do with prices or that if you have sub X instead of sub Y, then you are not serious about home theater.
As a matter of fact, 5 years ago the RW-12D was $800 and that what I paid for it back then at Ultimate. So definitely, I wasn't saying that more expensive sub is better than less expensive sub.

My main concern is that you were stating an opinion that implied that the RW 12D was not a "serious" sub.

I had already stated that there are other subs that would be better in the 1k price point but at $280 this sub is a great value.

Secondly, you make an across the board statement about this sub not being adequate for him yet you really dont know how large or small his room is other than it being "medium" sized.

I am totally fine with you saying that you think that he should get the SVS sub instead. That it represents a higher quality of sound in your opinion. Probably a common opinion among people who have listened to both of these subs.

My issue is this: What you said marginalized the sub and everyone who owns this sub as not being serious. That sounds like audio snobbery and I take that very seriously. Stuff like that makes people turned off to the hobby (or any hobby really) and ruins it for all of us.

I really don't want to be confrontational about this and I probably agree about recommending a SVS sub over the RW 12D if they have the budget. I just want us to be careful about how we treat other members on the forum so that everyone has a great experience here and keeps coming back.

Best of luck!

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by Billy13

Can't we all just get along
I think the comment about saying that the RW-12 is ALRIGHT is kind of an insult. especially seeing as the thread we're under is Klipsch Subwoofers and not JL Fathom subwoofer...Just sayin'

How is that an insult? If somebody ask about the performance of a sub, should the answer be "excellent, great, magnificient" while it is not?
So because it is the Klipsch thread, all the responses should be positive?
Furthermore, I own the said sub and I have Klipsch speakers. How is that an insult?

Originally Posted by Jim Hawkins

My main concern is that you were stating an opinion that implied that the RW 12D was not a "serious" sub.

I had already stated that there are other subs that would be better in the 1k price point but at $280 this sub is a great value.

Secondly, you make an across the board statement about this sub not being adequate for him yet you really dont know how large or small his room is other than it being "medium" sized.

I am totally fine with you saying that you think that he should get the SVS sub instead. That it represents a higher quality of sound in your opinion. Probably a common opinion among people who have listened to both of these subs.

My issue is this: What you said marginalized the sub and everyone who owns this sub as not being serious. That sounds like audio snobbery and I take that very seriously. Stuff like that makes people turned off to the hobby (or any hobby really) and ruins it for all of us.

I really don't want to be confrontational about this and I probably agree about recommending a SVS sub over the RW 12D if they have the budget. I just want us to be careful about how we treat other members on the forum so that everyone has a great experience here and keeps coming back.

Best of luck!

Dude, you are actually being confrontational about it. If I was saying that people who owns the RW12D are not serious, wouldn't I be also included since I own the sub too? As I said before, I was referring to the level of bass. And the truth is that this sub isn't awesome; especially for it used to cost.
If I say, the Nissan GTR puts some serious power. Does that mean that people who drives GTR are serious and the one that don't aren't? Come'on man!

The guy asked :"is the sub good as he heard/read?"
MY response: depending on what you are after or what it will be used for.

Regardless of the room size, the RW-12D and a better performing sub will never produce the same bass quality level. And I didn't not tell him to get a SVS. I supported my response with an example from my real experience with the sub.

Man, now I mistreat people? Sir, you really took this to another level.

Kirk Out, who asked the question, understood my response properly and I don't think he took it how you guys did.

Here is my conclusion: please calm down, go get a beer or cold water, pop a BD in, turn the sound up, enjoy the movie and come back here smiling.

For those that took my reply literally and felt insulted or mistreated, seigneur RAYDEN is sorry. seigneur RAYDEN had good intentions but they got lost in translation. seigneur RAYDEN does own Klipsch speakers and love them.

Peace n' Love

[Jim Hawkins]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

How is that an insult? If somebody ask about the performance of a sub, should the answer be "excellent, great, magnificient" while it is not?
So because it is the Klipsch thread, all the responses should be positive?
Furthermore, I own the said sub and I have Klipsch speakers. How is that an insult?



Dude, you are actually being confrontational about it. If I was saying that people who owns the RW12D are not serious, wouldn't I be also included since I own the sub too? As I said before, I was referring to the level of bass. And the truth is that this sub isn't awesome; especially for it used to cost.
If I say, the Nissan GTR puts some serious power. Does that mean that people who drives GTR are serious and the one that don't aren't? Come'on man!

The guy asked :"is the sub good as he heard/read?"
MY response: depending on what you are after or what it will be used for.

Regardless of the room size, the RW-12D and a better performing sub will never produce the same bass quality level. And I didn't not tell him to get a SVS. I supported my response with an example from my real experience with the sub.

Man, now I mistreat people? Sir, you really took this to another level.

Kirk Out, who asked the question, understood my response properly and I don't think he took it how you guys did.

Here is my conclusion: please calm down, go get a beer or cold water, pop a BD in, turn the sound up, enjoy the movie and come back here smiling.

For those that took my reply literally and felt insulted or mistreated, seigneur RAYDEN is sorry. seigneur RAYDEN had good intentions but they got lost in translation. seigneur RAYDEN does own Klipsch speakers and love them.

Peace n' Love

Ok, I will chalk it up to a misunderstanding. I will gladly have a beer. Cheers!

[Kirk Out]

Klipsch speakers and beer

[Billy13]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

For those that took my reply literally and felt insulted or mistreated, seigneur RAYDEN is sorry. seigneur RAYDEN had good intentions but they got lost in translation. seigneur RAYDEN does own Klipsch speakers and love them.

Peace n' Love

Third person posting...made thise whole thing worth while

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by Jim Hawkins

Ok, I will chalk it up to a misunderstanding. I will gladly have a beer. Cheers!

Originally Posted by Kirk Out

Klipsch speakers and beer

Originally Posted by Billy13

Third person posting...made thise whole thing worth while

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden

Jeez, you guys need to chill out.

Take your own advice.

[Billy13]

so I have about 25 hours or so on my RW-12d
just keeps sounding better & better

[Billy13]

I added a 2" piece of acoustical foam under the sub. Tried using a riser, but for whatever reason, the bass seemed to substantially diminish anyway, this does the trick. I was trying to get rid of some crazy vibrations in my wall. I also added some inexpensive foam behind the sub and along the back wall.
WAH-LAA! IT WORKED

[Sancho Panza]

thanks for posting that...carpet can't be GOOD for a sub...

[Billy13]

Originally Posted by Sancho Panza

thanks for posting that...carpet can't be GOOD for a sub...

I t definately 'absorbs' a lot of the sound. One thing I think that was making such annoying vibes is that the way I have to have my setup in my bedroom, the sub faces the footboard of the bed, and is only about 2 1/2' from it But, being as the best bass response per 'sub crawl' puts it there.....

[Almadacr]

Originally Posted by Sancho Panza

thanks for posting that...carpet can't be GOOD for a sub...

Why ???

[Billy13]

In my own personal experience with subwoofers I have noticed quite a difference between a carpeted room vs. A room with tile or wood floors. It seems to me that the room with hard flooring surfaces, the bass seems to be louder but not better. I feel that the bass seems to echo more and you don't get the true sound of the subwoofer. I've heard very mediocre subs be played loud as hell, and the guy says "this thing rocks!" But when playing that same subwoofer in a well carpeted room, it plays like the sub that it is. I'm a big fan of floor treatments if you have hardwood flooring or tile.
Sorry for the wording...
Anyways, there's my $0.02

[the_sextein]

Since I haven't seen anyone say anything about the Klipsch SW-115 I will leave my impressions. I got mine today early in the morning.

I have a Klipsch reference series 7.2 setup with two 450 watt 10 inch Klipsch subwoofers. Since all of my gear is Klipsch I decided to try out the 115 because I wanted to get the 15-27Hz range that my dual 10's could not reach and I wanted to see what it would do for the overall sound of the system.

I have my system setup in a 3000 Square foot medium sized room. I placed the sub in many different positions and settled for the center of the right most wall. I ran audessy with the sub at the 12 o'clock position and it gave me +.5db. I turned the sub up one more notch and it went to -.5db. Not bad. I then turned the sub up to 75% with the low pass at 120hz and my amp at about 45% (which is as much as I can stand) and I am happy to report that the cabinet didn't rattle even a little.

Not only did this sub add a little extra punch at reference level but I can hear a difference in the sound. It's smoother and reaches a lower tone that I can hear. The biggest difference is what I can't hear, the vibration of the ground and in my chest is much more intensified compared to what I had before.

I got mine for $750 brand new at amazon and I feel it was certainly worth it. The cabinet is sturdy and the base sounds deep and tight.

I was concerned that the 800 watt bash amp might not be enough but it was fine for my medium sized room and I bet it would be even better with two of them together. A pretty affordable option for someone looking for a 15 inch sub that can hit 15hz for a mid sized room. Heck I bet four of them would sound great in an oversized room.

[Sancho Panza]

Thanks, I'm thinking about that SW!

[gibson00]

Hi all, new here, hope you don't mind rookie questions...
We just moved into a new house, and am setting up a rec room, about 15 feet by 20 feet. We will have the TV (50") on the wall, and the couch will be about 10 feet back.
Our local big box store (Futureshop, Canada) carries the Klipsch line and I really like the sound (I like treble!).
I've already purchased the center, the RC500B (rebadged 50?) on sale for $299.

For towers, they have the RF800B (rebadged 82 I think) and the RF600B (62..) on sale, and the price diff is only 100 per tower, $499 vs $399. Will I notice much diff for movies, music, etc? I won't be cranking them too high, the wife would kill me... The price difference isn't that bad, just not sure if in my space/needs, would I actually be better served with the small speaker?

Lastly, I've never owned a subwoofer before.. They have two models, The Sw112 and Sw110. Normally I'd just get the smaller one, as I'm positive it is more than enough, but currently the SW110 is priced at $349, and the SW112 is on sale for only $50 more, $399. Again, since the price diff is so close, I'm wondering which would in fact be better for my area and usage.

Thanks for any help!!!!

Forgot - I do plan to buy two rears as well (have a 5.1 receiver), but need to save more $$.

[Billy13]

Originally Posted by gibson00

Hi all, new here, hope you don't mind rookie questions...
We just moved into a new house, and am setting up a rec room, about 15 feet by 20 feet. We will have the TV (50") on the wall, and the couch will be about 10 feet back.
Our local big box store (Futureshop, Canada) carries the Klipsch line and I really like the sound (I like treble!).
I've already purchased the center, the RC500B (rebadged 50?) on sale for $299.

For towers, they have the RF800B (rebadged 82 I think) and the RF600B (62..) on sale, and the price diff is only 100 per tower, $499 vs $399. Will I notice much diff for movies, music, etc? I won't be cranking them too high, the wife would kill me... The price difference isn't that bad, just not sure if in my space/needs, would I actually be better served with the small speaker?

Lastly, I've never owned a subwoofer before.. They have two models, The Sw112 and Sw110. Normally I'd just get the smaller one, as I'm positive it is more than enough, but currently the SW110 is priced at $349, and the SW112 is on sale for only $50 more, $399. Again, since the price diff is so close, I'm wondering which would in fact be better for my area and usage.

Thanks for any help!!!!

Forgot - I do plan to buy two rears as well (have a 5.1 receiver), but need to save more $$.

I would most definately go for the 112. More power, rated at 26Hz, this will make you're movie watching better all the way around IMO

You can always turn the gain down if it's more bass than you need, but you can't squeeze 12" bass out of the 110

Are you stuck on buying a Klipsch sub?

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by Sancho Panza

thanks for posting that...carpet can't be GOOD for a sub...

Actually, it is. But just as a very minor (potential)benefit.

Carpet/padding will never be thick enough to affect the bass, but it may absorb upper frequency harmonic distortion in certain scenarios.

Here is a fun calculator

http://www.acousticmodelling.com/mlink.php



Tom V.

[Samus Aran]

I bought Klipsch Reference II fronts but kept my dinky Energy 8" sub. Someone suggested I needed a bigger sub to go with the fronts. Looks like the SW-115 has been discontinued but what have your experiences been with it? Should I just get something smaller or wait for the R-115SW -- which is what, just the same thing re-released?

[Kirk Out]

Which refrenceII ? What do you think about them ? I was considering the 62 II's