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Old 09-19-2015, 02:33 PM   #21
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Not good, slightly better than VCD.
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Old 09-21-2015, 10:25 AM   #22
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I was thinking that the mods should perhaps rename the Blu-Ray Movies India Section to Science-Fiction and Fantasy Section, since almost 90% of discussions are based on futuristic speculation and/or outright fantasy
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^Actually here (in India) we are struggling to get decent movies on Blu-ray, and what we already have on Blu-ray doesn't meet the quality level in actual it should be (e.g. what we get: watermark, lack of special features, poor transfer, average artwork, poor quality packaging etc.) you can say we are frustrated but can't do anything. The only thing we can do is to discuss about them, share thoughts to get some satisfaction or in the hope we may get Blu-rays someday which will meet the international quality standards.
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Today a special announcement from YRF.

Another post was about Daag.
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Old 09-28-2015, 12:49 PM   #25
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This is not about an Indian blu-ray per se but still interesting. Quoting from the review for Criterion's release of The Honeymoon Killers:
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This new digital transfer was created in 4K resolution on a Lasergraphics Director film scanner from the original 35mm camera negative. It was restored at FilmRestore in Hyderabad, India.
As usual we are very good at outsourced work where the producers value quality over cost-cutting.
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^^ I really don't believe this! That is as much Ironic and perplexing as it is sad and hopeless. life WTF! Another restoration studio??
I am happy that India is capable! But when the heck are we going to see this talents in India's BD's???

Also I am sure this restorations are much cheaper in India then it is to do in their own countries.
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:21 PM   #27
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Sheesh! That really pricks.
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^^ I really don't believe this! That is as much Ironic and perplexing as it is sad and hopeless. life WTF! Another restoration studio??
I am happy that India is capable! But when the heck are we going to see this talents in India's BD's???

Also I am sure this restorations are much cheaper in India then it is to do in their own countries.
@mrbrat_Boy - I think the talent/skills and technology infrastructure has existed in India for a really long time. We hear mention about this on an important restoration that Criterion undertook but there's plenty of standard authoring that's done in India (for Hollywood) that we don't even hear about. Even VFX and animation is outsourced to India like crazy.

The issue, from my assessment, lies in the economics of it. The market for home video is non-existent in India and abroad. If 100 people on this forum make enough noise, it may result in some sort of marginal quality improvement, maybe... but to expect expensive restores, ala Criterion, requires a lot of public or private funding that is virtually non-existent in India. At the end of the day, the politics aside, big studios in Hollywood do fund important projects that they feel have some kind of artistic relevance and/or the need to be preserved for future generations. The Apu Trilogy restoration was subsidized by the Academy of Motion Pictures to a large extent. You don't see that kind of altruistic mindset among Indian filmmakers or studios, despite the vast amounts of money they amass from the audience. They could care less on how their films are preserved, as long as they hit that 100 crore or 200 crore target that they constantly seem to chase!

It's hard to blame Shemaroo for not stepping up and doing a meaningful restoration of an important film like "Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron" when they may be footing the bill themselves ...and the prospects for making money are very bleak. Every 2nd person I meet, of my age group, acknowledges that JBDY is the best comedy ever and they turn to it always to cheer themselves up when they are down. But if you ask those same people to fork out $25 for a well authored BD of the movie, that is so important to them, the likely response you are going to get is "it's available for free online, so why buy it!"

I apologize.... I'll get off my soapbox now
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^ + My 2 cents worth:

Prasad EXF and others in Hyderabad have been doing restoration for some time. Criterion “The Red Shoes” was done in 2010. Restoration is not the problem. It’s the demand.

http://efxmagic.com/EFX-Latest-Projects/index.html

http://www.filmrestore.com/experience.html

All the older blockbuster movies so far digitized and released in colored or original versions by their right holders have flopped. These include Hindi Sholay, Tamil Karaan and Telugu Maya Bazaar. The latter two had their BDs released too.

So as long as there is no demand, it’s not going to happen for Indian movies. It’s already too late. iTunes and streaming sites are the future for movies.

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All the older blockbuster movies so far digitized and released in colored or original versions by their right holders have flopped. These include Hindi Sholay, Tamil Karaan and Telugu Maya Bazaar. The latter two had their BDs released too.
Again, the problem with the aforementioned projects (especially Sholay & My Dear Kuttichathan / Chota Chetan) is that they were made with these assumptions - "Gimmicks sell" and "Revisionism rules" - and of course, profits in mind. Had these been undertaken as passion projects (like how Criterion rolls) and restored as they were originally conceived with minimal digital tinkering, they could have become money-spinners at the BO (exception being Chota Chetan, which was primarily targeted towards kids of all ages ) and paved the road for many other similiar projects...

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These projects were done for todayís generation in mind. Many a times the directors were involved too. Thatís how they decided to do it. Colorization is not a gimmick. The world is colored and not b/w. Movies were made b/w because the colored film was extremely expensive and unavailable. Even in those b/w films, songs which they thought will become popular were filmed in color. Mughal-E-Azam (Pyar Kiya to), Chaudhvin Ka Chand (title song) and many more. Nagin had two colored songs but not the one which become popular (Man Dole Tan Dole). So later on it was replaced with its colored version. 3D is a gimmick, but sometimes its works too. Titanic is an example. But yes for the purist they should sell both the versions.

Criterion has a word wide market and sells it to people most of whom are quality conscience and ready to spend money. Indian distributers have a limited market and not too many customers. But even those people have to balance their life between quality and quantity. In India more VCD are sold even when DVDs are available. In the USA more DVDs are sold even when Blu-rays are available.

Moreover the world has changed a lot. So much more is available. Internet allows you to watch or listen anything on demand for a little or even for free. So a very few people find it necessary to own any media specially the older movies which have already been shown on TV or are available on line.
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Colorization is an idiotic gimmick that was abandoned long ago in most places. These films were filmed in black and white and should be presented in black-and-white. We wouldn't throw paint on Michaelangelo's David just because humans are not monochromatic. The point is to present what the filmmakers DID make, not our idea of what they WOULD have made with tools they didn't have.

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Old 09-29-2015, 04:29 PM   #33
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There are few things.
1. Lack of equipments (camera, films), <50's movies.
2. B/W movie because of low budget (I guess it is only in India). @rajkapoor mentioned about some movies
3. Intentionally made in B/W in color era. (Psycho, Raging Bull, Schindler's List etc.)
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Colorization is an idiotic gimmick that was abandoned long ago in most places. These films were filmed in black and white and should be presented in black-and-white. We wouldn't throw paint on Michaelangelo's David just because humans are not monochromatic. The point is to present what the filmmakers DID make, not our idea of what they WOULD have made with tools they didn't have.
Colorization was abandoned by Hollywood because in most cases it’s not profitable. What about dubbing? Dubbing is good because it’s profitable. How much input a director has to it and added subtitles. How does he know if the translation and intonation were correct? Hollywood dubs a movie in 20 languages and releases it across the globe. But this is the natural way of watching a movie even when there is a lip synching issue. So is the colored version. Dubbed Hindi version of Bahubali made over 100 crores.

In audio section, in the name of life-like experience, we have moved from mono to Atmos. In terms of audio a b/w movie is like a silent movie. Neither is like life-like. Our world is neither silent nor black and white.

As far as Michelangelo's David is concerned nobody is touching it except for its cleaning. But the statue has been reproduced many times in fiber, plaster, bronze and other materials. From a casino in LV to many museums, palaces and resorts across the world its replicas have been installed. Even the original spot has a replica now. At one place where people found its nudity objectionable, a plaster leaf was added to cover its genitals. In the same way the colored version is a replica of the original. In both cases, you have the choice to see the original or the replica.

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Colorization was abandoned by Hollywood because in most cases it’s not profitable. What about dubbing? Dubbing is good because it’s profitable. How much input a director has to it and added subtitles. How does he know if the translation and intonation were correct? Hollywood dubs a movie in 20 languages and releases it across the globe. But this is the natural way of watching a movie even when there is a lip synching issue. So is the colored version. Dubbed Hindi version of Bahubali made over 100 crores.
The filmmakers dubbed it themselves, so that is their option. The original filmmakers are almost never involved in colorization. Years ago, Ted Turner was on a colorization spree, and he owned the rights to "Citizen Kane." Orson Welles said, "Don't let Ted Turner deface my movie with his crayons."

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In audio section, in the name of life-like experience, we have moved from mono to Atmos. In terms of audio a b/w movie is like a silent movie. Neither is like life-like. Our world is neither silent nor black and white.
Then let it be so. Movies should represent the time and circumstances in which they were made.

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As far as Michelangelo's David is concerned nobody is touching it except for its cleaning. But the statue has been reproduced many times in fiber, plaster, bronze and other materials. From a casino in LA to many museums, palaces and resorts across the world its replicas have been installed. Even the original spot has a replica now. At one place where people found its nudity objectionable, a plaster leaf was added to cover its genitals. In the same way the colored version is a replica of the original. In both cases, you have the choice to see the original or the replica.
Most of examples are more akin to remakes than to dubbing or colorization, except for the leaf thing, which is still tampering with the original vision.

Also, when they digitize these old Tamil films, they do not present a restored original version. They only show us their new messed-up version. If I want to see the original I have to find some old DVD or VCD.

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Actually my original post was about Indian movies. Hollywood doesn’t have this problem. Since 1935 most of their movies have been made in color. I don’t care for Hollywood movies anyway. They have the choice to make a B/W movie even when color is available, and I have the choice to see it or not see it. My main concern is about Indian movies where the film makers were forced to make b/w movies because of the lack of colored film and equipment. I want my son to see Pyaasa and other Indian classics. He wouldn’t enjoy them if those are not in color. Dev Anand was involved in colorization of Hum Dono. Sholay was done by director’s son. Most of the filmmakers have passed away. Someone else has to do the changes.

Anyway you are entitled to your view and so am I.

I fully agree with you and I had said it before that both the colored and the original versions should be provided.

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Old 10-01-2015, 09:40 AM   #37
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I apologize for Hi-Jack

Few decent movies didn't get the Blu-ray release. We have to buy DVDs.
Manjhi:The Mountain Man (Reliance)
Masaan (Reliance)
Drishyam (Shemaroo)


Generally companies keep MRP of new DVDs 299/- or under, but why some movies released at 399/-? Is this because of class of movie? People who buy these movies are financially sound? I don't believe if it is because of the rights they got, and want to recover the money they have spent to get the rights. OR is this because of popularity of movie? I don't understand because movies like Baahubali and Bajrangi Bhaijaan also did greate on box-office.

Tanu Weds Manu (Eros) 399
Piku (Reliance) 399
Drishyam (Shemaroo) 399
Dil Dhadkne Do (Reliance) 399
ABCD 2 (Reliance) 399
Margarita With A Straw (Shemaroo) 399
Baby (T-Series) 399
PK (Reliance) 499 (height of insanity)
etc.

Baahubali (Reliance) 299
Bajrangi Bhaijaan (Eros) 299
Bombay Velvet (YRF) 299
Hamari Adhuri Kahani (YRF) 299
Detective Byomkesh Bakshi (YRF) 299
Gabbar is Back (Shemaroo) 299
Dum Laga Ke Haisha (YRF) 299
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Movies like Ungli, Tevar DVD price was 199/-
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Usually more popular movies have a greater chance of being cheaper because they expect to sell a lot more units across a wider spectrum of audience. Depends a lot on the Home Video company as well, YRF seems more sensitive to price points. Some may be more expensive because of special features, bonus disc etc.

But eww at NFDC movies getting released by Reliance. No reliability of disc quality or presence of watermark
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For abroad friends, this new Cadbury commercial is very popular on TV. I like the ad concept.

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IMDB shared STAFF Rank Top 25 movies from 90's to till date, and seems it is according to IMDB ratings. But I think it could be far better.

http://www.imdb.com/anniversary/staf...es/ls079180013
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