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Old 05-04-2021, 07:47 AM   #521
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@samlop10 we discussed ^^ this in detail just tonight on FOMO's Youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY3O...ature=youtu.be
Interesting conversation Robert. I had surmised most of that based on previous reviews and comparisons from other people/reviewers, but I’m sure many people who don’t scour these forums/websites like I usually do will find it informative.
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:52 AM   #522
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Well, this is one way to squeeze more brightness out of the TV (FYI it’s in Spanish; I’m a Spanish speaker so I was able to understand it):


I’m curious to see if changing these or different settings to achieve the higher brightness will affect other aspects of the picture. Almost seems like a ‘hack’ to me since the panel was never meant to reach that peak brightness with regularity. If that brightness is already available without affecting other areas (on the long or short term), why would Sony decide to not have it readily available instead of ‘limiting’ it for no good reason? Maybe there is a good reason why they are limiting it? Guess time will tell.
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Old 05-04-2021, 12:18 PM   #523
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Multiple calibration strategies get the A90J to almost 1000 nits while still being accurate and 240nits full screen. Officially game over for any other oled.
List them if you have the strategies. The only one I have seen is from AVPasion where he seems to go the 20 pt. calibration menu setting and maxes it out to 40 with the Green, Red and Blue at the point 20 setting only. Also who is showing 240 nits full screen? I am also assuming without using Custom Pro 1 or 2, the 10th point adjustment in the calibration menu setting of Custom would do the same thing.

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Old 05-04-2021, 12:20 PM   #524
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Well, this is one way to squeeze more brightness out of the TV (FYI it’s in Spanish; I’m a Spanish speaker so I was able to understand it):

https://youtu.be/l20S92VEjtw

I’m curious to see if changing these or different settings to achieve the higher brightness will affect other aspects of the picture. Almost seems like a ‘hack’ to me since the panel was never meant to reach that peak brightness with regularity. If that brightness is already available without affecting other areas (on the long or short term), why would Sony decide to not have it readily available instead of ‘limiting’ it for no good reason? Maybe there is a good reason why they are limiting it? Guess time will tell.
Am I correct with my assessment as stated above? Your Spanish is far superior to mine.

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Old 05-04-2021, 04:03 PM   #525
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Am I correct with my assessment as stated above? Your Spanish is far superior to mine.
Yup. That’s pretty much the gist of it from the video, maxing out the 20 pt. calibration menu settings of all three colors. He does go over a few other settings that apparently you need to pick keep things at that higher brightness without affecting accuracy. Not sure how accurate that assessment is though, since he doesn’t mention if he measured everything after making those tweaks to make sure things were actually still accurate.
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:13 PM   #526
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Well, this is one way to squeeze more brightness out of the TV (FYI it’s in Spanish; I’m a Spanish speaker so I was able to understand it):

https://youtu.be/l20S92VEjtw

I’m curious to see if changing these or different settings to achieve the higher brightness will affect other aspects of the picture. Almost seems like a ‘hack’ to me since the panel was never meant to reach that peak brightness with regularity. If that brightness is already available without affecting other areas (on the long or short term), why would Sony decide to not have it readily available instead of ‘limiting’ it for no good reason? Maybe there is a good reason why they are limiting it? Guess time will tell.
D-Nice saw that video, and said thats not how he does it.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-60708264
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:37 PM   #527
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List them if you have the strategies. The only one I have seen is from AVPasion where he seems to go the 20 pt. calibration menu setting and maxes it out to 40 with the Green, Red and Blue at the point 20 setting only. Also who is showing 240 nits full screen? I am also assuming without using Custom Pro 1 or 2, the 10th point adjustment in the calibration menu setting of Custom would do the same thing.
The Spanish folks have been talking about the trick in the comment sections for about a week before releasing how they achieved it. They themselves said 240 full screen and also mentioned no negative effect to accuracy. No negative effect on black levels either. When I had my rental A90J, I maxed out both my C8 and A90 side by side, and the maxing out of settings on the C8 DID have an effect on black levels, but not on the A90J (I returned it last week before learning of the brightness booster).
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:51 PM   #528
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D-Nice saw that video, and said thats not how he does it.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-60708264
Yup. I saw that too. I’m curious about his method. I wonder if it’ll also be ‘hackish’ or not.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:29 PM   #529
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Apparently the Dnice trick is different than 1 released today. My friend tested it on his A90J, sent me videos toggling it on/off, clips of hdr movies. Insanely bright now. He got 990 nits on his xrite meter. And this is on gradient preferred, ACE turned off also. So with those 2 settings it could go even further.
which method did your friend try? If it's the spanish one, has anybody translated it in english? And what is it with people suggesting IMAX enhanced format?
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which method did your friend try? If it's the spanish one, has anybody translated it in english? And what is it with people suggesting IMAX enhanced format?

Yes Spanish. Need to activate expert modes. Then under the expert color tone, go to the 20th point, max out RBG. Vincent Teoh actually mentioned this in his review also, but very briefly and most missed it.
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Old 05-06-2021, 11:31 PM   #531
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Would this brightness "trick" work on any other Sony OLED?
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Old 05-07-2021, 06:16 AM   #532
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Would this brightness "trick" work on any other Sony OLED?
Only A80J if anything. Remember, the A90J has the heat sink and technically can go up to 1400 nits for a split second in vivid mode. The hardware technology in the A90J is borderline groundbreaking for an oled.
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Would this brightness "trick" work on any other Sony OLED?
In theory this should work on any HDR TV to improve specular highlights by going to the calibration menu with 10 pt. or greater adjustment and max out the highest value. I tried this out on my 65C6P Oled and yes it works! Obviously for HDR 10 only on my model as calibration in DV is not possible. You can pause the frame on specular highlights and see the increase in brightness. Get HDR Bright settings to match HDR Standard for that model except for the 100% window max RGB offset in the highest point of calibration. This way you can switch back between the picture modes that are set identically except one has the tweak and the other does not to see the difference. 668 is the equivalent to point 20 (MAX) in the 2016 LG settings for HDR. Max R,G,B out to 50 and beyond the increase in peak luminance or nits you have an increase in color saturation for those specular highlights as well so it is a win win.

On any Sony in Custom mode the 10th point in calibration should have the identical effect. For A90J owners is this having an effect in increased specular highlights in HDR? Vincent basically said no in his review. I returned my A90J before the return window was up due to a defective panel and before the peak luminance tweak was announced. The 65 was a test run anyway as the 83 in. is the one I want if I do upgrade. If tweaks can get an 83 in. to 1,000 nits I will probably jump on board for a Black Friday sale, price dependent.

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In theory this should work on any HDR TV to improve specular highlights by going to the calibration menu with 10 pt. or greater adjustment and max out the highest value. I tried this out on my 65C6P Oled and yes it works! Obviously for HDR 10 only on my model as calibration in DV is not possible. You can pause the frame on specular highlights and see the increase in brightness. Get HDR Bright settings to match HDR Standard for that model except for the 100% window max RGB offset in the highest point of calibration. This was you can switch back between the picture modes that are set identically except one has the tweak and the other does not to see the difference. 668 is the equivalent to point 20 (MAX) in the 2016 LG settings for HDR. Max R,G,B out to 50 and beyond the increase in peak luminance or nits you have an increase in color saturation for those specular highlights as well so it is a win win.
Interesting. I'll have to try this just to see how it looks on my A8H. Mostly out of curiosity/doubt I'll keep it that way.
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Interesting. I'll have to try this just to see how it looks on my A8H. Mostly out of curiosity/doubt I'll keep it that way.
It will not mess up a thing on your calibration or factory picture settings. All that happens is your 100% white screen gets brighter or max luminance of the display at any % window will increase. For an HDR display I don't know why anybody wouldn't use it.
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Any word on the 83 availability/shipping? Thought it was May 17th. Now I hear it's the end of May early June? I got a 10% off anything email from BBY...🤔
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:24 PM   #537
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We're getting Sony's first 83" A90J allocation the week of May 24th and our 2nd allocation is scheduled for the week of June 7th for a larger shipment.

I like your 10% off coupon from Best Buy, but don't think it's works for any Magnolia products and our free shipping and no sales tax for orders delivered outside of NY state is about the same deal.
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▪︎https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x90j/settings

The future looks bright, and big.
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▪︎https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x90j/settings

The future looks bright, and big.
That's the X90J, an LCD model. If you want to post things related to the X90J, do so in the dedicated thread over in the LCD subforum.
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We're getting Sony's first 83" A90J allocation the week of May 24th and our 2nd allocation is scheduled for the week of June 7th for a larger shipment.

I like your 10% off coupon from Best Buy, but don't think it's works for any Magnolia products and our free shipping and no sales tax for orders delivered outside of NY state is about the same deal.
You know you’re my main squeeze, RZ. Just looking at all options. So what’s the May 24th status?
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