Suggestion for members regarding possible method of Ultra HD Blu-ray playback on Mac

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by Deadend45

The Macgo is hack software, the BDA will not only have nothing to do with them but will try to shut them down which why Macgo is in China in the first place. Its not an official BD player.

It is properly licensed (AFAIK). Hong Kong is technically part of China but I believe is still trusted enough to get official support for BDA programs.

That said, don't get me wrong. The OP apparently believes that begging Apple and annoying forum users will somehow cause Apple to overturn almost 20 years of precedence and either support 4K optical playback directly or open up access to a security chip - one that has huge security holes in it, as I've explained to the OP multiple times - for 4K optical support when, AFAIK, they haven't opened up access to any third party, period. That's assuming Apple or whomever will make a formal BDA proposal to either allow for playback with a particular security setup or to accept a SW-only solution. That opens up a huge can of worms that I don't think anybody is willing to deal with, short of some deep-pocketed fool paying for a lot of work with minimal payoff. If Google opened up Widevine for more use cases, L1 Widevine could be a nice solution. They're not opening it up, though, and L1 isn't bulletproof either (although those in the know really keep a lid on their secrets). Throw in NVidia seemingly having no desire to adapt PlayReady, and creators of all other possible solutions not having any interest, and it's just not happening.

[bhampton]

When you want EVERYTHING then maybe Apple isn't the right choice.

PCs try to support everything under the sun. Apple locks things down to both limit the amount of support they have to do and also to provide the users with just enough flexibility to use without being confused.

Basically, Apple puts training wheels on for the less tech minded folks. I don't blame them at all because tech can be confusing. it's a great business model and almost all of my computers are Apple. I keep a PC for all the stuff that a Mac can't do.

Also, ever consider just getting a disc player ? ... it's not a bad idea.

I have a toaster because my M1 Mac Mini will likely never get the update that lets it make toast.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Why did I spend big bucks on a computer that can't play my discs.

With all due respect buying one thing while hoping for something else was ill advised.

You don't "get what you paid for" except in rare circumstances where you have done the research before hand.

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Also, ever consider just getting a disc player ? ... it's not a bad idea.

We've been over this over & over with the OP. He bought something without doing due diligence first, and so now it's important to complain until a trillion dollar company acquiesces. At some point, I started to wonder if the OP might be an AI bot, programmed solely to annoy people on this forum. (Asking others to call Japan Airlines and ask if the HDMI inputs on the first-class monitors supported HDMI 2.0 was also comedy gold. We all know rich people are itching to drag their 4K players onto planes and enjoy that sweet Atmos sound on their headphones, mixed with the constant background rumble of the plane.)

[bhampton]

Oh I remember the airplane HDMI thing...

Seemed like asking a lot.

[HDTV1080P]

It would be awesome if the Blu-ray Disc Association would license an official MAC software to playback 4K Blu-ray discs and standard Blu-ray discs. Almost 100% of Windows PC’s including both Intel and AMD CPU’s in the last 17 years can playback native 2K (1080P) Blu-ray discs. Windows owners for the last 17 years have been playing standard Blu-ray discs with licensed approved software from the BDA. When it comes to playing back native 4K Blu-ray discs, less then 1% of Windows 10 and 11 owners are able to do so because of the required Intel SGX security requirements that is exclusive to very small amount of Intel CPU’s only.

If the BDA every gets organized and approves TPM 2.0 or another security method for 4K Blu-ray discs on a Windows PC, then maybe they would also approve something for MAC owners in the future. There are 1.4 billion people in the world running either Windows 10 or Windows 11 according to online information. There are over 100 million MAC uses currently. With an internal or external USB BD-ROM drive that opens the potential of up to 1.5 billion customers. If only 5% of the 1.5 billion PC owners purchased an internal or external BD-ROM drive, that would be additional 75 million consumers using Blu-ray discs. If only 1% of the 1.5 billion people would purchase a BD-ROM drive that would be 15 million additional customers. Just about any Windows PC in the last 17 years can playback standard Blu-ray discs, the issue is that less then 1% of Windows owners can playback native 4K Blu-ray discs because of the rare requirement of people needing a Intel CPU and motherboard that supports SGX security.

If the BDA wanted to they could approve a new hardware/software security that would allow up to 8 year old Windows and MAC PC’s to playback native 4K Blu-ray discs. My 8 year old Intel X99 motherboard with TPM 2.0 security and 128GB of DDR4 memory is fast enough to playback 4K Blu-rays, but since the motherboard and Intel chip lacks SGX security playback is not possible for security reasons.

The main reason why native 4K Blu-ray disc playback is failing on both MAC and Windows PC’s, is because of the BDA not coming out with a security solution to offer valid authorized playback of the 4K Blu-ray discs. When less then 1% of the computers on the market are capable of playing back 4K Blu-ray discs because of the security requirements, that is not healthy to growing the format. 4K Blu-ray disc playback is for standalone Blu-ray players only since most people cannot just go out and buy a BD-ROM drive with software to play the native 4K Blu-ray discs on their existing Windows or MAC computer system.

[apollo828]

I think I finally figured it out. I honestly think you might be an AI bot. You're writing English, and yet it's kinda detached from reality, too obsessed with minute details (many of which are often wrong or half-baked), you absolutely refuse to ever acknowledge that you're wrong about stuff, etc. I'm convinced you're a bot, or somebody replaced the original human with a bot, or something along those lines!

[HDTV1080P]

Bots are automated software applications, which means they run without a human user needed. Bots attempt to be 100% accurate and factual, but human error in incorrect databases are most the time to blame if there is a issue in the stated facts. Bots like to watch and listen to 4K Blu-ray discs and other optical media when a BD-ROM or standalone Blu-ray player with a RS-232 port is connected. Some Bots and automated robots do not need displays or A/V receivers since they get a direct binary digital input from the Bu-ray disc when it comes to learning (For the record this is a joke and I really am a human being as far as I am aware, well at least a virtual human being).

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by apollo828

I think I finally figured it out. I honestly think you might be an AI bot. You're writing English, and yet it's kinda detached from reality, too obsessed with minute details (many of which are often wrong or half-baked), you absolutely refuse to ever acknowledge that you're wrong about stuff, etc. I'm convinced you're a bot, or somebody replaced the original human with a bot, or something along those lines!

The problem is you are not mentioning what you believe I am wrong about.

It's common knowledge that Intel dropped SGX technology on all new CPU's. Which makes it a niche market for a small amount of out of production motherboards and Intel CPU's when it comes to the security requirements to playback 4K Blu-ray discs. This means there is less then 1% of PC's on the market that can playback 4K Blu-ray discs unless the BDA comes out with a new approved secure way to playback the discs on a Windows PC and maybe one day a MAC.

Check out the following factual link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...26&postcount=4

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The problem is you are not mentioning what you believe I am wrong about.

Anyone's free to go through my post history and see the many times that I've posted out the many ways in which you and the OP are wrong about many things. Not once have either one of you stopped and said, "You're right, and I was wrong." Both of you always plow ahead with some nonsense that, if you're incredibly lucky, is only partially wrong instead of totally wrong. Even in the rare cases when you post a bunch of random facts that are technically correct, you miss the bigger picture, such as here. You've been told over and over by me and others why your assessment of the PC/Mac market is laughably wrong. You don't care. You just plow ahead, arrogant as can be (especially with your assessment of security options), like a machine that isn't able to correct itself. For whatever bizarre reasons, you're convinced that there's this huge market for 4K playback on PCs / Macs. Trying to convince you otherwise is hopeless. I wouldn't give you nearly as hard a time if you showed even the slightest sign of being able to take feedback from other posters and correct yourself, or at least directly engage with it and explain why your gobbledygook is accurate. (Weren't you the one who said somebody should invent AES-512, which would somehow magically prevent discs from being pirated? Spaghetti, meet wall.)

That is why I referred to you as an AI bot, and why I will happily continue to do so.

[HDTV1080P]

I like being called an AI BOT, thank you.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by apollo828

I think I finally figured it out. I honestly think you might be an AI bot. You're writing English, and yet it's kinda detached from reality, too obsessed with minute details (many of which are often wrong or half-baked), you absolutely refuse to ever acknowledge that you're wrong about stuff, etc. I'm convinced you're a bot, or somebody replaced the original human with a bot, or something along those lines!

Neither I nor HDTV1080P are AI bots! Being one would require so much computing power you would have to have a room full of them. I don't think that even an AI language model as sophisticated as ChatGPT would be talking about this.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Neither I nor HDTV1080P are AI bots!

Exactly what a BOT would say.

[stevo4264]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Exactly what a BOT would say.

blu-ray.com 649,024 members, all bots.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Exactly what a BOT would say.

Even ChatGPT would admit that it is a bot.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Exactly what a BOT would say.

Please let me say upfront, that this observation is not meant to demean or diminish the members, but maybe shed light on their responses......

IMHO, I would assume both fall on the spectrum to some degree. That's the filter I use when I read their posts, which allows me to better understand their responses.