Mini Blu-rays and high definition camcorder - Blu-ray Forum

bigrome · 05-16-2007, 08:02 PM

I recently purchased a high definition dvd camera and, like most who have I'm sure, am looking to find a way to record for longer than 20 minute intervals. I noticed on a thread on here that there are now mini Blu-Rays available. Will those work in my camcorder?

Rup_Muk · 05-16-2007, 08:08 PM

bigrome,
welcome to this forum.

In response to your question - most likely no. Not unless your camcorder is already certified as a BD recorder.

Rup.

jermwhl · 05-16-2007, 08:09 PM

not unless it's a BD camcorder, which I don't think any have been released yet.

McBain · 05-16-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jermwhl

not unless it's a BD camcorder, which I don't think any have been released yet.

Not yet.

bigrome · 05-16-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rup_Muk

bigrome,
welcome to this forum.

In response to your question - most likely no. Not unless your camcorder is already certified as a BD recorder.

Rup.

If it doesn't say it, it probably isn't, right? Sony rep tells me I can play the mini-DVD's on a Blu-Ray player, but not a DVD player. This made me think that if it will play on a Blu-Ray, will a Blu-Ray work in it.

Thanks for the welcome mat.

bgccdx · 05-16-2007, 08:51 PM

I don't think people have been definite enough in their replies so far. Your camera will NOT record BD. No way. Not at all. Not now, not ever.

In future there may be BD cameras released but yours won't upgrade itself unfortunately. Backwards compatibility is difficult enough to achieve. Forwards compatibility is in the realm of miracles and we don't see those too often.

bigrome · 05-16-2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgccdx

I don't think people have been definite enough in their replies so far. Your camera will NOT record BD. No way. Not at all. Not now, not ever.

In future there may be BD cameras released but yours won't upgrade itself unfortunately. Backwards compatibility is difficult enough to achieve. Forwards compatibility is in the realm of miracles and we don't see those too often.

So, it is the Blu-Ray players that can play my mini-DVD's that are backward compatible? Am I understanding that right? It just confused me that my discs that I'm recording to are playable in a Blu-Ray, but I can't record to a Blu-Ray disc. But, I think I'm starting to see.....the player will play an assortment of media, but my camera only records to mini-DVD media.....is that right?

WriteSimply · 05-16-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrome

So, it is the Blu-Ray players that can play my mini-DVD's that are backward compatible? Am I understanding that right? It just confused me that my discs that I'm recording to are playable in a Blu-Ray, but I can't record to a Blu-Ray disc. But, I think I'm starting to see.....the player will play an assortment of media, but my camera only records to mini-DVD media.....is that right?

That would be correct. At the time of it being built, BD-R/RE is not yet made available. So they went with DVD-R/RE media to record.

The video being recorded is AVCHD, which is one of the HD formats that BD players can read. If you record in 1080i on the disc, it'll play in 1080i.

If you plan on using a computer to edit your movies, you might want to get a BD burner, an extra HDD space for storage editing and start using DVD-REs.

fuad

bgccdx · 05-16-2007, 09:53 PM

That's absolutely correct. The fact that your Blu-ray player plays your mini DVDs is that Blu-ray is backwards compatible with DVD. If your camera suddenly became capable of recording Blu-ray discs that would be forward compatability and a miracle. Let me know if it happens by the way and I'll request a couple more miracles from you. LOL. Enjoy your gear. It's good.

bigrome · 05-16-2007, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

That would be correct. At the time of it being built, BD-R/RE is not yet made available. So they went with DVD-R/RE media to record.

The video being recorded is AVCHD, which is one of the HD formats that BD players can read. If you record in 1080i on the disc, it'll play in 1080i.

If you plan on using a computer to edit your movies, you might want to get a BD burner, an extra HDD space for storage editing and start using DVD-REs.

fuad

Do you mean DVD-RW?

bigrome · 05-16-2007, 10:06 PM

On another note.....any chance Playstation 3 will have an external burner unit of some sort. If I save my videos to the Playstation 3, will I ever be able to burn them off of it?

Rup_Muk · 05-17-2007, 03:13 AM

bigrome,

^^ that's a good question. I don't think that they've announced any external BD burners. May be I'm wrong. B&H Photo may have something.

As far as recording Camcorder -> PS3 -> BD may be possible (am I being naive? 0 fuad or deci will probably set me straight) by uploading the AVCHD file to the PS3 and then using the external BD burner to backup a data disk. I believe that this would be the logical route - but don't know if anybody has attempted anything like this...

Rup.

Merlins · 05-17-2007, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrome

If it doesn't say it, it probably isn't, right? Sony rep tells me I can play the mini-DVD's on a Blu-Ray player, but not a DVD player. This made me think that if it will play on a Blu-Ray, will a Blu-Ray work in it.

Thanks for the welcome mat.

There are some prototypes of mini-BD:s camcorders for them but nothing have been released yet as far as I know. It sounds like your camcorder record the movie in AVC, VC-1 or MPEG-2 with BD-file structure that can't be played in any DVD-player but can be played in a Blu-ray player. The disc that it uses are mini-DVD:s and it can never record on mini-BD:s, you will have to buy a new recorder for that.

If camcorders started to record the movie in AVC the older mini-DVD:s could contain more than 20 minutes with the same picture quality. This would be a great thing for Sony, Philips, Panasonic or other Blu-ray supporters to do with some of their camcorders. The customers would be able to record more on each disc, get better picture quality and the cost should not increase that much because all it takes is an upgrade of the encode chip. No blue-ray diode would be necessary and it's the same old cheap discs that are being used. It would also promote Blu-ray as a format giving more minutes and better picture quality.

Edit:

Here is a link on this site for a picture on the 8cm mini-BD:
https://www.blu-ray.com/images/media/maxell.jpg

CeBit-TV talked some about the new recorders if I don't remember incorrect.

05-16-2007, 08:02 PM	#1
bigrome Junior Member Member since:May 2007	Mini Blu-rays and high definition camcorder I recently purchased a high definition dvd camera and, like most who have I'm sure, am looking to find a way to record for longer than 20 minute intervals. I noticed on a thread on here that there are now mini Blu-Rays available. Will those work in my camcorder?

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05-16-2007, 08:08 PM	#2
Rup_Muk Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:136 Blu-ray reviews:24 Trading Score:8	bigrome, welcome to this forum. In response to your question - most likely no. Not unless your camcorder is already certified as a BD recorder. Rup.

05-16-2007, 08:09 PM	#3
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:San Diego, CA	not unless it's a BD camcorder, which I don't think any have been released yet.

05-16-2007, 08:51 PM	#6
bgccdx Member Member since:Dec 2006	I don't think people have been definite enough in their replies so far. Your camera will NOT record BD. No way. Not at all. Not now, not ever. In future there may be BD cameras released but yours won't upgrade itself unfortunately. Backwards compatibility is difficult enough to achieve. Forwards compatibility is in the realm of miracles and we don't see those too often.

05-16-2007, 09:53 PM	#9
bgccdx Member Member since:Dec 2006	That's absolutely correct. The fact that your Blu-ray player plays your mini DVDs is that Blu-ray is backwards compatible with DVD. If your camera suddenly became capable of recording Blu-ray discs that would be forward compatability and a miracle. Let me know if it happens by the way and I'll request a couple more miracles from you. LOL. Enjoy your gear. It's good.

05-16-2007, 10:06 PM	#11
bigrome Junior Member Member since:May 2007	On another note.....any chance Playstation 3 will have an external burner unit of some sort. If I save my videos to the Playstation 3, will I ever be able to burn them off of it?

05-17-2007, 03:13 AM	#12
Rup_Muk Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:136 Blu-ray reviews:24 Trading Score:8	bigrome, ^^ that's a good question. I don't think that they've announced any external BD burners. May be I'm wrong. B&H Photo may have something. As far as recording Camcorder -> PS3 -> BD may be possible (am I being naive? 0 fuad or deci will probably set me straight) by uploading the AVCHD file to the PS3 and then using the external BD burner to backup a data disk. I believe that this would be the logical route - but don't know if anybody has attempted anything like this... Rup.

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