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Old 05-13-2018, 08:58 AM   #21
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I can't believe we are still dealing with DNR in 2018 on the best format available.

Maybe Universal will releasE The BTTF Trilogy with the awful DNR on UHD as well.
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Old 05-13-2018, 09:03 AM   #22
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I'd be a bit more strict.

Batman Begins, Source Code and Grease - heavy. Chamber - moderate. Oblivion - heavy.

Not sure if Underworld belongs here. I haven't see the disc, but non-FX shots don't have any noticeable softening, afaik, based on screens. But those who own it should know more.

Yuma - I'd put it in heavy.
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Old 05-13-2018, 09:12 AM   #23
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I'd be a bit more strict.

Batman Begins, Source Code and Grease - heavy. Chamber - moderate. Oblivion - heavy.

Not sure if Underworld belongs here. I haven't see the disc, but non-FX shots don't have any noticeable softening, afaik, based on screens. But those who own it should know more.

Yuma - I'd put it in heavy.
Someone mentioned Underworld in the Source Code topic. Caps-a-holic has the screens up as well. Do your judgement.

OP updated. If others disagree, please feel free to discuss.

Since we have no word on the US Gladiator disc, European disc added.

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Old 05-13-2018, 10:52 AM   #24
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Oblivion isn't from a film out.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:56 PM   #25
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Sweet, I like the updated formatting much more. The list is more accessible and easier to read and understand this way too. Good job, Pieter.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:23 PM   #26
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Subscribed to this thread. Future DNR abominations need to be outed and collected in one place.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:25 PM   #27
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Good changes, but eh. Still gonna end up with most of these, not that I'm "pro" DNR. It's also just some in the heavy from the thread talk of those UHD appear debatable.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:27 PM   #28
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I would add Jack Reacher: Never Go Back and Keeping Up with the Joneses to the "light" section. Possible it was baked in at the DI stage, but still.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:35 PM   #29
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Knowing never had grain, it was recorded digitally
Ah, I didn't know. But it looks like there's no texture on the skin or clothing either.
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Ah, I didn't know. But it looks like there's no texture on the skin or clothing either.
That doesn't mean bad DNR, that means bad source/encode.
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Old 05-13-2018, 10:17 PM   #31
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That doesn't mean bad DNR, that means bad source/encode.
Digital cameras have sensor noise though (which is often referred to as grain as well in the industry.) It looks and behaves in much the same way as film grain and so DNR will have the same detrimental effect to detail, skin and textures.

If the DNR was in the DI and theatrical release it's not revisionist and doesn't belong on this list, but if a previous release had more grain/noise than the UHD I think it should be on the list regardless of the capture method.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:55 AM   #32
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I would add Jack Reacher: Never Go Back and Keeping Up with the Joneses to the "light" section. Possible it was baked in at the DI stage, but still.
Done.
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:30 AM   #33
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Digital cameras have sensor noise though (which is often referred to as grain as well in the industry.) It looks and behaves in much the same way as film grain and so DNR will have the same detrimental effect to detail, skin and textures.

If the DNR was in the DI and theatrical release it's not revisionist and doesn't belong on this list, but if a previous release had more grain/noise than the UHD I think it should be on the list regardless of the capture method.
Agreed on digital grain/noise being a thing, and also agree on the theatrical DNR, Jack Reacher 2 has the same weird gloopy frozen grain on the BD (only it's harder to spot in SDR) so I don't think that strictly qualifies as it seems to be baked in. Same for something like Expandables 2, they had to smooth out those crusty old faces somehow.

As for your last point that reminds me: Martian Extended Edition definitely needs to go on the list. Shot on 5K RED but it has a definite helping of noise throughout the film that was mostly smoothed out on the EE version.
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Old 05-14-2018, 05:46 PM   #34
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I knew I forgot one. "The Martian" extended release of course - and I'm afraid it belongs to Heavy.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:47 AM   #35
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The UHD of "Dredd" has less details than the BD.
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DNR is still an issue?
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:53 AM   #37
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Dredd needs to go into moderate or heavy.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:44 AM   #38
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Dredd needs to go into moderate or heavy.
Heavy. Blur mess.
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Hmm. I don't think that Dredd belongs in that list at all? The detail was not lost due to DNR but due to the generational loss of being a filmout. So grain was rather added than removed?

I don't think that those filmout ideas for UHD are great.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:43 AM   #40
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I think E.T. can go into light section. Grain is certainly managed there.

I also believe The Dark Knight belongs in moderate. And The Dark Knight Rises is light.
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