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Old 10-08-2019, 11:17 PM   #18341
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Hello, I was hoping some people in here could give me their thoughts on my situation. I have 2X 10 inch Klipsch subs that are not cranked very loud. I use them for mid range chest kicking. For my low end, I have two 15 inch Klipsch subs. They were the first 15's that Klipsch made. Back before they colored their subs gold. One of my 15 inch subs died and I have been looking to upgrade my 15 inch subs.

I liked the Klipsch subs that I had but I have to admit that anything under 18Hz would drop off and the sub box could not handle the signal. I would get lots of chuffing and box vibration.

I'm using 6X Klipsch RP8000F towers and an RP504C center channel with 4X RP140 height channels.

According to the SVS web site, I should pair these speakers with a PB16-Ultra.

I can afford one of these but not two of them. My question is this.

Should I buy 1 PB16 Ultra or 2X Monolith 15's? They cost about the same and I have heard good things about both brands of subs. It looks like the PB16 goes a little lower and has a much higher peak power rating on the amp but 2X monoliths would give me two large boxes that could probably match the PB16 for low end base extension.

Does anybody have an experience with both subs or any insight about quality or features that I may be overlooking?

1 Monoprice Monolith could outperform a PB3000. So 2x of each would give the same result.
2 Monoprice Monolith's could out perform a PB4000 and I can't afford 2X PB 4000.
So that leaves me with 1 PB 16 Ultra vs 2 Monolith's.
I'm leaning toward the Monolith's because 2 subs would give better coverage but I have heard that the PB16 Ultra is a monster and that is why I'm asking for opinions.
If spacing isn't an issue, you should stick with your dual sub setup. The dual Monoliths should serve as a significant upgrade, and the flexibility of 2 subs, should provide more even bass for multiple viewing positions, and a flatter response curve, helping to negate peaks and lulls in your bass frequencies.

If your budget allows, then absolutely get a PB 16 today, with plans of a future second add on later.

I went from dual Hsu 15" subs to now dual PB-16s, and so far it's absolutely overkill. The built in app with DSPs help with blending them, but I have a smaller listening room, so one is more than sufficient.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:01 PM   #18342
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Thanks for the input. I was leaning towards the monolith but after another day of research I think I'm sold on them. The Monolith can push 14Hz-300Hz at reference levels. The PB16 can push 13Hz-300Hz at the same reference levels.

I can't see spending 2x as much for a 1Hz advantage. The real benefit of the PB16 Ultra is it's more powerful amp which allows it to push the same frequencies at the same quality levels at higher decibel levels. That's great but the Monolith has THX Ultra Certification so you are not likely to notice the difference until the room size exceeds 3000 square feet or you listen at levels higher than reference. My Room is 2600 square ft and I usually listen at -5db to -10db.

The PB 16 Ultra is obviously the better sub but it costs 2x as much and doesn't offer any real advantages over the monolith in medium and small rooms. If I had a 5000 sq ft room then I would consider buying a PB16 Ultra now and another later but for my situation it's just way too much money for negligible benefits. Sticking with two subs is the way to go either way though and dual monoliths should be slightly overkill for my room with an 11Hz low end extension which is great performance and amazing price considering the other options on the market at the moment.

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Old 10-11-2019, 09:52 PM   #18343
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Thanks for the input. I was leaning towards the monolith but after another day of research I think I'm sold on them. The Monolith can push 14Hz-300Hz at reference levels. The PB16 can push 13Hz-300Hz at the same reference levels.

I can't see spending 2x as much for a 1Hz advantage. The real benefit of the PB16 Ultra is it's more powerful amp which allows it to push the same frequencies at the same quality levels at higher decibel levels. That's great but the Monolith has THX Ultra Certification so you are not likely to notice the difference until the room size exceeds 3000 square feet or you listen at levels higher than reference. My Room is 2600 square ft and I usually listen at -5db to -10db.

The PB 16 Ultra is obviously the better sub but it costs 2x as much and doesn't offer any real advantages over the monolith in medium and small rooms. If I had a 5000 sq ft room then I would consider buying a PB16 Ultra now and another later but for my situation it's just way too much money for negligible benefits. Sticking with two subs is the way to go either way though and dual monoliths should be slightly overkill for my room with an 11Hz low end extension which is great performance and amazing price considering the other options on the market at the moment.
Great follow up post! I agree with everything you said, and though I don't have personal experience with the M-15s, I have no doubt they will be fantastic sounding, and exceed your expectations.

Having owned the SVS subs now, I do understand the value proposition. Their customer service is world class. One of my subs was purchased open box, and didn't come with a remote. They sent one no questions asked, and will be fully backing the 5 year warranty, including shipping BOTH ways. That's quite generous considering it's over 200 lbs in its original box, and 5 years is tremendous peace of mind, considering the investment.

SVS subs do truly feel like a "premium" product. I've owned several brands of subs over the years, 1st generation Hsu, SVS, Velodyne, and more recently, Klipsch, Hsu current generation, and full circle back to the SVS. All previous subs were just large, bland black boxes, that never stood out, or were eye pleasing. The styling of the PB 16 are a game changer in that aspect. Also, I didn't think it would be valuable, but the SVS built-in DSP helped me to achieve a decently flat curve, confirmed via REW, running the subs in tandem, which was difficult in my room layout.

Is it worth that extra price? Not if you're trying to achieve best bang for buck, I would consider the Hsu subs, or the M-15s. But keep in mind subs like the PB 16 and M-15s are tuned to be ultra low. They sacrifice output in the midbass levels to achieve that. At least in my setup, my Hsu's were more potent in the 40-60hz range, and sounded more musical, but lacked that insane ultra low frequency most crave. It sounds like that's what you're looking to achieve so the M-15s appear to fit the bill in every way.
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Old 10-12-2019, 07:35 PM   #18344
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I actually ended up purchasing 2X PSA V1812 subs instead. They are brand new 18 inch neo drivers that can be pre-ordered direct. They only cost me $150 more than the monoliths in total due to the pre order discount. The low end for a single V1812 has a 16hz response with a+ or -3b response. In room low end extension is 14hz down to 11hz and the boosted db slam in the 30-50hz range from the 18 inch woofers is going to be killer, especially with two of them.

I can appreciate aesthetics but my tastes must be strange. I actually think the monolith design is the best looking sub because I like it's bold, intimidating look but it sure is big. The PB16 Ultra is more flashy and furniture grade, refined. The PSA V1812's that I ordered are very bland looking in my opinion but they have smaller cabinets than the monolith and weigh less. Performance is all I really care about though. It's going in a dedicated theater room and all of my equipment and furniture is plain black wood and leather.

The SPA 1812's can be loaded with calibration software but I chose to pass on the added expense because my Denon amp's Audyssey XT32 can do the job so I'm covered there. I think the 1812's will work out best for me and my setup. Now I'm just waiting in anticipation.

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I actually ended up purchasing 2X PSA V1812 subs instead. They are brand new 18 inch neo drivers that can be pre-ordered direct. They only cost me $150 more than the monoliths in total due to the pre order discount. The low end for a single V1812 has a 16hz response with a+ or -3b response. In room low end extension is 14hz down to 11hz and the boosted db slam in the 30-50hz range from the 18 inch woofers is going to be killer, especially with two of them.

I can appreciate aesthetics but my tastes must be strange. I actually think the monolith design is the best looking sub because I like it's bold, intimidating look but it sure is big. The PB16 Ultra is more flashy and furniture grade, refined. The PSA V1812's that I ordered are very bland looking in my opinion but they have smaller cabinets than the monolith and weigh less. Performance is all I really care about though. It's going in a dedicated theater room and all of my equipment and furniture is plain black wood and leather.

The SPA 1812's can be loaded with calibration software but I chose to pass on the added expense because my Denon amp's Audyssey XT32 can do the job so I'm covered there. I think the 1812's will work out best for me and my setup. Now I'm just waiting in anticipation.
Congrats on the purchase. That's an awesome choice, and I'm glad to see more audio enthusiasts experiment and invest in different brands. Please keep me posted on when you get them, and your results. I'm not sure if anybody else is following this discussion, so we can move it to PM since we are venturing too far off topic. I'd love to see your set up, and how you plan to implement the subs in your particular set up. Cheers.
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not sure exactly which model I have, but I miss my 12 inch SVS (currently at my mom's since it would get me evicted living in an apartment).
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