Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Vilya

They haven't even started to film it, but it is already magically a huge success simply because they say so.

They haven't started to film it but it's already on Kodi

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

They haven't started to film it but it's already on Kodi

Ooh...magic! Being able to watch movies that haven't been made yet is pretty amazing in any aspect ratio.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by bhampton

They haven't started to film it but it's already on Kodi

How? They haven’t even started filming yet!

[Wendell R. Breland]

A just in case post.

For folks that have Netflix streaming and their streaming device(s) set to output original frame. Netflix has finally added radio buttons to turn off Auto Preview and Auto Play. Go to your account and change the settings. If you use more than one profile then you have to change it for each profile. Some info here.

Used drive me crazy because a lot of stuff in my queue had frame rates of 23.976, 24, 25, etc. and as I scrolled over each show icon it would start the blasted preview which meant a re-sync and a black screen. I called them on several occasions about this but they seemed indifferent about this problem. Guess they finally got enough complaints to act.

[PhysicalMediaNut]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Yup. Looks like I’m busting out the Mel Brooks set tonight.

[SillyG]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I certainly won't be watching it. I didn't buy a jumbo widescreen TV to instead watch vertically framed content on a 5" phone screen.

Yearrrrrsss ago, long before smartphones entered the market, I used to download extra content for The Sims (2000) on PC, and one of the little bits of fan-made content that I will never forget is the long-screen TV, which was described as something along the lines of being the future of entertainment (or something similarly absurd). Funny how a joke wasn't far removed from the truth.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not surprised. We have Quibi launching next month so without doubt, vertical video is going to be a much bigger thing. It was only a matter of time until this happened. We have had films shot with iPhones so it’s the next logical step.

Today's young'ens can hardly stomach watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 display. If anything, this ridiculous endeavour may be a mixed blessing and inadvertently serve as a crash course on why filming vertically is such a monumentally stupid idea. I wonder how the masses would feel stretching vertically-shot phone footage on their TVs. :P

I had previously searched to see whether there were any vertically-shot music videos to appeal to today's hip kids, and as it turns out, there are a number of music videos that have been cropped from their OAR for those very special people who are somehow incapable of the monolithic feat that is tilting one's phone by 90 degrees. It's like pan and scan of the past, but substantially worse.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SillyG

Yearrrrrsss ago, long before smartphones entered the market, I used to download extra content for The Sims (2000) on PC, and one of the little bits of fan-made content that I will never forget is the long-screen TV, which was described as something along the lines of being the future of entertainment (or something similarly absurd). Funny how a joke wasn't far removed from the truth.



Today's young'ens can hardly stomach watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 display. If anything, this ridiculous endeavour may be a mixed blessing and inadvertently serve as a crash course on why filming vertically is such a monumentally stupid idea. I wonder how the masses would feel stretching vertically-shot phone footage on their TVs. :P

I had previously searched to see whether there were any vertically-shot music videos to appeal to today's hip kids, and as it turns out, there are a number of music videos that have been cropped from their OAR for those very special people who are somehow incapable of the monolithic feat that is tilting one's phone by 90 degrees. It's like pan and scan of the past, but substantially worse.

Quibi will be professionally shot and framed for smartphones AND widescreen. It has large production costs so it’s going to take advantage of vertical. Rather than trying to cram everyone into the middle of the frame, they will have a camera that has a vertical viewfinder that gives them the best shot for a particular scene. Scenes where many people are on screen will more than likely have a Snapchat style split screen to capture reactions and conversations. The creatives have acknowledged that stuff needs to be shot from the start with vertical in mind.

Of course, we all know it’s going to be crap but when has that ever stopped folk?

[SillyG]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Of course, we all know it’s going to be crap but when has that ever stopped folk?

I'd be almost curious to see it, as long as I'm not paying for the privilege.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SillyG

I'd be almost curious to see it, as long as I'm not paying for the privilege.

Well, it’s a paid service so you would have to unless you pirate.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, it’s a paid service so you would have to unless you pirate.

It launches on April 6 here and they will likely offer a free trial period like every other streaming service does.

They would have to pay me to watch bite sized content shot in vertically framed Glaucoma Scope.

I predict it will be almost as big of a hit as was New Coke and Crystal Pepsi- both of which were backed by rich companies and an aggressive marketing campaign.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It launches on April 6 here and they will likely offer a free trial period like every other streaming service does.

They would have to pay me to watch bite sized content shot in vertically framed Glaucoma Scope.

I predict it will be almost as big of a hit as was New Coke and Crystal Pepsi- both of which were backed by rich companies and an aggressive marketing campaign.

That’s where we differ then.

You already know my take.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s where we differ then.

You already know my take.

Yes, I know your take well: anything new and undesirable will do irreversible harm to all we hold dear.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's more the fact that for every gimmick that succeeds there are several more that fall by the wayside so no, I don't think the horizontal sky is falling just yet.

I have a strong umbrella to prevent that horizontal sky from falling. We're all safe.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Yes, I know your take well: anything new and undesirable will do irreversible harm to all we hold dear.



I have a strong umbrella to prevent that horizontal sky from falling. We're all safe.

Geoff would say that, he was one of those that laughed it off. He told me to stick to football, knowledge wise. Well, let’s see.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Geoff would say that, he was one of those that laughed it off. He told me to stick to football, knowledge wise. Well, let’s see.

Just futbol? You seem to know a good deal about VR gaming and Twin Peaks, too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Just futbol? You seem to know a good deal about VR gaming and Twin Peaks, too.

I do lol. Very modest with it. I would say film in general. It’s a running joke in my family that I always get quiz questions about films right.

[kfbkfb]

My low data rate streaming idea:

I don't subscribe to any streaming services
(I tried out streaming of BBC 1 radio via
dial-up back in 1999, there was a lot of
rebuffering even then).

To reduce rebuffering and (monthly) data usage:
Select 480i (regular VHS SP picture quality) and
Dolby Surround audio.

Allow your TV to upscale the picture to "HDTV".

From what I've read in this thread (and elsewhere),
streaming programs is a one-off thing. In my case,
I waited for Netflix Lost in Space to be released on
DVD/Blu-ray before seeing it.

I record a lot of TV shows from MeTV (for one-off
viewing) using VHS SLP and I've watched a few of
them on my HDTV (which also upscales to HDTV),
it looked OK, a little soft, but OK.

Anyone routinely use Streaming TV settings for
VHS SP picture quality w/TV upscaling to save on
data?


Kirk Bayne

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

Anyone routinely use Streaming TV settings for VHS SP picture quality w/TV upscaling to save on data?

Just the thought of doing that would cause my eyes . As of now my ISP does not have data caps per say so I don't have to worry about data usage.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just the thought of doing that would cause my eyes . As of now my ISP does not have data caps per say so I don't have to worry about data usage.

Same here I have FTTH with no Caps, and my Providers are Amazon, Netflix, MA, and Vudu primarily. So I don't have any problems Streaming 4K, but I mainly Stream in HD. I couldn't imagine any kind of Streaming difficulties!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

My low data rate streaming idea:

I don't subscribe to any streaming services
(I tried out streaming of BBC 1 radio via
dial-up back in 1999, there was a lot of
rebuffering even then).

To reduce rebuffering and (monthly) data usage:
Select 480i (regular VHS SP picture quality) and
Dolby Surround audio.

Allow your TV to upscale the picture to "HDTV".

From what I've read in this thread (and elsewhere),
streaming programs is a one-off thing. In my case,
I waited for Netflix Lost in Space to be released on
DVD/Blu-ray before seeing it.

I record a lot of TV shows from MeTV (for one-off
viewing) using VHS SLP and I've watched a few of
them on my HDTV (which also upscales to HDTV),
it looked OK, a little soft, but OK.

Anyone routinely use Streaming TV settings for
VHS SP picture quality w/TV upscaling to save on
data?


Kirk Bayne

That sounds horrific. If your restrictions are that bad, it’s probably better to go the route of sattelite/cable. Even HD is only very small bit rate these days. 720p should be doable unless you have a family of 12. My sister gets 1080p on Netflix and she doesn’t even have fibre. It’s only a 4Mbps connection.
4K is probably a stretch on a data plan but 720p at least is incredibly achievable.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I couldn't imagine any kind of Streaming difficulties!

So, you used to install internet service for people, but you can not even imagine there ever being any difficulties with streaming content? Absolutely nothing could possibly go wrong with either the streaming service provider or the internet connection between the server and the customer's location? 100% reliability has been achieved, has it?

I guess I can add both lack of imagination and detachment from reality to your dubious resume.