Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by gotmule

To me, the most alarming aspect is that it is maxed out at 720p. That is a step backwards from a technology standpoint, but I understand the reasons why and the market they are appealing to.

Why is it step back if they are ending SD basic subscriptions?

As part of the rollout, Netflix says it will increase the resolution of video streams for customers on its two cheapest plans. Currently, Basic subscribers are limited to standard definition video capped at 480i resolution; starting next month, Basic and Basic with Ads customers will have access to 720p resolution, which is considered high definition.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Microsoft is handling the ads for Netflix. They will take care of their insertion not Netflix. For Disney+'s AVOD, they will use The Trade Desk.

I know that, just haven't seen a technical write up on the methods utilized, but thanks for the reply.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

why? they had 3 tiers and basic used to be SD now they have one lower tier and both Basic and basic with ads is 720p. this is not meant for the person that had premium

Good point.

[unberechenbar]

I bought these this week:


Watched Old Henry and liked it although the A/V presentation wasn't great.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

The poster is just pointing out that if Vudu ever folded then you would probably lose titles that are not MA, i.e., Paramount, Lionsgate and others. Example, with these non MA member content owners you have to select a provider, usually Vudu or iTunes. IF Vudu should fold then those titles are gone, legal recourse = NONE as stated in the TOS/EULA that you agreed to.

Everyone used to say Walmart isn't going anywhere.

No one ever said Fandango isn't going anywhere.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

A lot of content via broadcast has been edited to support breaks in their playback that can be redirected to ad content. I'll wait and see if someone writes a piece on how they handled the additional of ads into transcoded content not designed for time breaks.

broadcast is a different beast ang was born in a very different time. The show needs to start at an exact time, stop for pauses at regular frequencies and the same time for everyone with a given time length and end at a given time, so they had to be programmed in. This is streaming we are talking about if someone wants to start watching something at 9:27 they can start at 9:27 and if it ends at 10:33 it ends at 10:33. There are not fixed times.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Why is it step back if they are ending SD basic subscriptions?

not a step back but if someone's device can't support 720p playback or their BW is limited that could be an issue for some end users.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Everyone used to say Walmart isn't going anywhere.

They probably said the same about:

• Circuit City
• H. H. Gregg
• K-Mart
• Penny's
• Radio Shack
• S. H. Kress
• Sears
• Woolworth's

IIRC, in an interview Amazon founder Jeff Bezos said he believed Amazon would only last 20 to 30 years at the top. What it would be replaced with is the big question.

No one ever said Fandango isn't going anywhere.

One would think Walmart purchased Vudu believing it would be a revenue source for them. Apparently it did not preform as predicted therefore they sold it. Interesting the the terms of the deal was not made public.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I know that, just haven't seen a technical write up on the methods utilized, but thanks for the reply.

not sure what technical write up you are expecting. MS job is to sell ad space and code each ad appropriately (i.e. you don't want to show condom ad during kid show because parents will get PO, don't show ad during controversial show/movie because the company paying for the ad will be PO)


the rest should be simple for example it could be every X minutes pause film and ask ad server for 4 ads to send.

Do you think this site has complex coding for what ads show up where and when? ads are everywhere now. if you are in HD forums it knows to show HD movies, if you go to PS it knows to show PS games, 4k forums k ads.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not sure what technical write up you are expecting. MS job is to sell ad space and code each ad appropriately (i.e. you don't want to show condom ad during kid show because parents will get PO, don't show ad during controversial show/movie because the company paying for the ad will be PO)


the rest should be simple for example it could be every X minutes pause film and ask ad server for 4 ads to send.

Do you think this site has complex coding for what ads show up where and when? ads are everywhere now. if you are in HD forums it knows to show HD movies, if you go to PS it knows to show PS games, 4k forums k ads.

Start with the obvious question: Why does Netflix make many transcoded versions of each movie?

see
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/system...-architecture/

Netflix also creates file optimization for different network speeds. The quality of a video is good when you’re watching the video at high network speed. Netflix creates multiple replicas (approx 1100-1200) for the same movie with different resolutions. These replicas require a lot of transcoding and preprocessing. Netflix breaks the original video into different smaller chunks and using parallel workers in AWS it converts these chunks into different formats (like mp4, 3gp, etc) across different resolutions (like 4k, 1080p, and more).

After transcoding, once we have multiple copies of the files for the same movie, these files are transferred to each and every Open Connect server which is placed in different locations across the world.

https://netflixtechblog.com/high-qua...e-d159db052746

Amazon AWS example

AWS Elemental MediaTailor channel assembly is a manifest-only service that allows you to create linear streaming channels using your existing video on demand (VOD) content. MediaTailor never touches your content segments, which are served directly from your origin server. Instead, MediaTailor fetches the manifests from your origin, and uses them to assemble a live sliding manifest window that references the underlying content segments.

So MS is being used to do something similar.

[Anthony P]

we are on the same page on how everything none-ad related works.

But I don't get your point at all,

We are not talking content or content segments or content quality we are talking about ads. the content stops, the ads play, the content continues to play from where they stopped before the ads when the ads are done. They are two different processes that hand shake together when the right time comes.

how do you think You8tube or Disney or Hulu or every other ad supported service does it? Netflix did not just invent this "show ads during streaming" they are just now jumping on the bandwagon because people are leaving in droves for cheaper services.

I really don't get where you see this complexity.

ps the only difference between Youtube and this is that the person that posts the video can decide where, when and how many ads play while here it is Netflix so it does not need to be on a title by title basis with exact positioning.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Everyone used to say Walmart isn't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

They probably said the same about:

• Circuit City
• H. H. Gregg
• K-Mart
• Penny's
• Radio Shack
• S. H. Kress
• Sears
• Woolworth's

Well no one should be complacent Time and Technology moves on, Oppo and Samsung are out of the Blu-ray, 4K Player Market. So you only have two Major Companies Panasonic and Sony. With only one Disc Duplication Facility left in North America, Mexico, Streaming Digital is looking way better than Physical!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well no one should be complacent Time and Technology moves on, Oppo and Samsung are out of the Blu-ray, 4K Player Market. So you only have two Major Companies Panasonic and Sony.

Panasonic is not a major company. LG makes players even if they aren't the best quality and far larger company. Then there is Tascam, which is professional audio division of TEAC Corporation that sells 4K UHD players to consumers. Phillips which is a very large company sells Blu-Ray players. I am not going to bother listing some of the minor producers of players that are made in China that are not targeting consumers but rather pretending to be equivalents of Oppo players and selling their products for too much.

[bhampton]

Picked up these used $10 each but both were sealed with slipcovers and redeemable 4K digital copies.



There were several other DC Animated 4K discs there so if I like Catwoman maybe I'll go back and see if any are still there.

Have these arriving tomorrow from Amazon's recent sale.



So much fun collecting UHD BDs !

[cheez avenger]

Scooped up Red Dawn 4K disc from GameFly for $8.99.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Panasonic is not a major company. LG makes players even if they aren't the best quality and far larger company.

Interesting how some is willing to show their ignorance . 9 UHD BD players here. Then we have Reavon, may not be a Oppo but if in the market I would look more closely at their players.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Interesting how some is willing to show their ignorance.

With a few that think they are smart always resorting to name calling, like I said I refuse to lower myself to those standards. They try to intimidate rather than being Professional to enforce their point!

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Interesting how some is willing to show their ignorance . 9 UHD BD players here. Then we have Reavon, may not be a Oppo but if in the market I would look more closely at their players.

Right there with you on the Reavon.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

With a few that think they are smart always resorting to name calling, like I said I refuse to lower myself to those standards. They try to intimidate rather than being Professional to enforce their point!

That is complete and utter BS and you know it. You made that post thinking you would be cute. Then try to play the innocent victim when called out, sorry, that dog want hunt.

It has been posted several times there have been 4 new models of UHD Blu-ray players introduced since the departure of Oppo and Samsung. I have mentioned Reavon in 10 different post in this very thread. But just for your benefit:

As posted earlier we have 3 newer models form Reavon and one new model from Tascam.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Right there with you on the Reavon.

If I am lucky my Oppo 203 will last me a long time. With the addition of the Zappiti NAS and Neo the Oppo and Sony disc playback time has been greatly reduced.