Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Nicksmovies1283]

Very good pros and cons.
#1 Pro - Don't have to drag a physical copy with you when you travel.

#1 Con - Takes up disc space ;-)

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by flyry

The irony of preferring something Apple, but feeling "locked" is too much for me.

I meant that I feel sort of "locked" into Vudu, not UV per say. Also I care about image quality and for some reason I get a blurred image for about 10 seconds sometimes then the image clears up while streaming something through Vudu on my XBox One. This never happened to me streaming something through iTunes on an Apple TV, or using my TV's Vudu app or a Roku but I had issues with Vudu on my TV's Vudu app and a chirping audio issue with a Roku Ultra when using Netflix and Vudu, so those device are out of the question for me for streaming.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

The irony of preferring something Apple, but feeling "locked" is too much for me


The modern smartphone didn't even exist 10 years ago. Nor did the tablets as we know them. It's crazy to me.

I still think VR is stupid and will never be a thing. They'll keep trying every 20 years though.

Have you tried VR? Only people who haven't tried it tend to say such nonsense. Once you have tried it with several different scenarios, you will be blown away.
It's not like the old days with tech. There is so much money going into it, eventually someone will crack it. In the meantime, I have had the best gaming experience of my life on the headset. It was worth the price for that alone.
It is also being used in industrial fields already. This tech will only get better.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I meant that I feel sort of "locked" into Vudu, not UV per say. Also I care about image quality and for some reason I get a blurred image for about 10 seconds sometimes then the image clears up while streaming something through Vudu on my XBox One. This never happened to me streaming something through iTunes on an Apple TV, or using my TV's Vudu app or a Roku but I had issues with Vudu on my TV's Vudu app and a chirping audio issue with a Roku Ultra when using Netflix and Vudu, so those device are out of the question for me for streaming.

If you care about quality, surely the best option is yo stick with Bluray and UHD Bluray?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I need Windows for PC gaming though and that's the only reason I use Windows still and I like having a custom built PC for gaming. I have an iPhone 5s though and I most likely will buy an Apple TV. There are a few attributes of iTunes that I prefer over Vudu. I actually prefer the iTunes service over Vudu but the only thing that makes it hard for me to switch back to iTunes is the size of my Vudu library compared to my iTunes library. I feel like I'm sort of locked into the UV ecosystem.

The thing is, UV, IMO has not been thought out. They just wanted to get it out there to stop Apple dominating but the irony is Apple will win the day anyway. They are just waiting for the right moment to make their move. I would be far more confident of a Bluray/Apple setup than a UV one.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I meant that I feel sort of "locked" into Vudu, not UV per say. Also I care about image quality and for some reason I get a blurred image for about 10 seconds sometimes then the image clears up while streaming something through Vudu on my XBox One. This never happened to me streaming something through iTunes on an Apple TV, or using my TV's Vudu app or a Roku but I had issues with Vudu on my TV's Vudu app and a chirping audio issue with a Roku Ultra when using Netflix and Vudu, so those device are out of the question for me for streaming.

The issues you describe, do not appear to be common issues with Vudu. It sounds like your connection could be the issue (and maybe the xbox one app) as you have stated in other posts that you lose connection daily. My parents (who use wifi) have streamed 3D movies from the Vudu app on their LG TV without any degrading or buffering. All of my devices are hardwired, and I don't have any buffering or degrading on any streaming app I use. I have a few Roku's in the house, one being the Ultra, and I do not experience any chirping audio issue with any streaming apps, including Netflix and Vudu.

My blu rays play just fine too. They just take longer to load up.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The thing is, UV, IMO has not been thought out. They just wanted to get it out there to stop Apple dominating but the irony is Apple will win the day anyway. They are just waiting for the right moment to make their move. I would be far more confident of a Bluray/Apple setup than a UV one.

All I know is, I couldn't use the digital copies before UV came along. I didn't have an Apple device. I think the idea behind UV is the way it should work. Have a locker for all of your movies, and be able to link providers to it. Apps available on just about every connected device. It makes sense. Wait....didn't Disney do something like that recently..... DMA is basically Disney's version of UV.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

All I know is, I couldn't use the digital copies before UV came along. I didn't have an Apple device. I think the idea behind UV is the way it should work. Have a locker for all of your movies, and be able to link providers to it. Apps available on just about every connected device. It makes sense. Wait....didn't Disney do something like that recently..... DMA is basically Disney's version of UV.

The idea is fine. The execution is woeful IMO. How it stands in the U.K at the moment, I can't see U.V even existing in several years. ITunes, on the other hand allows people to watch their Digital HD on a big screen. UV (or rather providers) have not give us this option. All the best services don't work with U.V here. The best option for the U.K is to buy a new Apple TV and alternate between ITunes, Netflix, Now TV (movie and entertainment service by Sky tv) and eventually Amazon. I think Amazon will happen on the Apple TV within weeks. It seems problems have been ironed out.

As a side note, I won't be taking up any of these options as everyone knows I only use ITunes for rentals. I buy Bluray of course. But if I wasn't so passionate I would do exactly what I just mentioned.

By the way, I know you have Vudu in the U.S but just having one service and a lack of expansion to other countries is not a healthy way to do business IMO. People love film in the U.K too.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Wait....didn't Disney do something like that recently..... DMA is basically Disney's version of UV.

The movie industry saw what happened to the music industry (Apple being the gate keepers) and did not want the same thing to happen to them so they created the Ultraviolet system and all major studios were asked to participate and most did. But Disney had to be Disney and refused to join and created their own locker.

Good thing there's VUDU that supports both, otherwise all Disney did was create headaches for movie collectors.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

The movie industry saw what happened to the music industry (Apple being the gate keepers) and did not want the same thing to happen to them so they created the Ultraviolet system and all major studios were asked to participate and most did. But Disney had to be Disney and refused to join and created their own locker.

Good thing there's VUDU that supports both, otherwise all Disney did was create headaches for movie collectors.

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Disney, Amazon, Sky TV all don't work with U.V. They are all massive services.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney, Amazon, Sky TV all don't work with U.V. They are all massive services.

....but they could have, and still could.

Being consumer friendly isn't usually top priority for these guys. Just give us a locker that we can connect any provider to. It doesn't have to be called UV. Just one we could connect to ITunes, Vudu, Flixster, Amazon, CinemaNow, etc....shoot....maybe one day we could connect the locker to Netflix, or Hulu. They all want to do their own thing though.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Have you tried VR? Only people who haven't tried it tend to say such nonsense. Once you have tried it with several different scenarios, you will be blown away.
It's not like the old days with tech. There is so much money going into it, eventually someone will crack it. In the meantime, I have had the best gaming experience of my life on the headset. It was worth the price for that alone.
It is also being used in industrial fields already. This tech will only get better.

I tried it and was more sold on it after trying it but i still dont see it taking off.

The headsets are ridiculous.

Its a fad like wearables to me

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

I tried it and was more sold on it after trying it but i still dont see it taking off.

The headsets are ridiculous.

Its a fad like wearables to me

I though that but I am convinced it has a future now. It was never going to be a replacement for normal gaming. It will carve out its own niche, I'm sure.

What did you try by the way? Mobile VR is very different to high end stuff for instance.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney, Amazon, Sky TV all don't work with U.V. They are all massive services.

Those are not Digital Lockers. Only UV and DMA are lockers.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by whipnet

The movie industry saw what happened to the music industry (Apple being the gate keepers) and did not want the same thing to happen to them so they created the Ultraviolet system and all major studios were asked to participate and most did. But Disney had to be Disney and refused to join and created their own locker.

Good thing there's VUDU that supports both, otherwise all Disney did was create headaches for movie collectors.

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All UV is to start with though is a giant headache for movie collectors. They went from everybody using iTunes to UV only digital copies that told you to go to every UV site under the sun to redeem the digital copy. I don't think anybody would have cared about uv if studios had just given given both itunes and UV codes but they exclusively pushed UV at the expense of the consumer.


I mean Disney was obviously in the right since they basically created a proper locker with all the major distributors. It doesn't matter at all that Disney only includes Vudu from UV because Vudu is the only really major distributor in UV. What Disney accomplished was obviously the best end result for the consumer.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Those are not Digital Lockers. Only UV and DMA are lockers.

I know that.

[veritas]

For people that like uv imagine they stopped giving uv codes, stopped any d2d deals, and stopped having any deals on uv so they would just charge retail prices because they are starting a new digital distribution system and want you to re buy all your stuff on it as they essentially make uv defunt. That is how all the iTunes users felt as the studios stabbed them in the back and tried to get them to switch to uv.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by veritas

All UV is to start with though is a giant headache for movie collectors. They went from everybody using iTunes to UV only digital copies that told you to go to every UV site under the sun to redeem the digital copy. I don't think anybody would have cared about uv if studios had just given given both itunes and UV codes but they exclusively pushed UV at the expense of the consumer.


I mean Disney was obviously in the right since they basically created a proper locker with all the major distributors. It doesn't matter at all that Disney only includes Vudu from UV because Vudu is the only really major distributor in UV. What Disney accomplished was obviously the best end result for the consumer.

If that was the case, then I wouldn't own a single digital movie. There was no way I would have ever given $0.01 to Apple for a digital copy of anything.

UV came along and convinced me it was safe to invest because you aren't locked to just one tyrannical mega-corp. The listings I have under iTunes here on this site are only there because there is no DMA option for the database, so I list my DMA movies under iTunes.

I'm still a physical disk guy first, but I would still be a physical only if it wasn't for UV.

It would be nice to have iTunes sometimes because a digital copy sold out there is 1/4 the price of a UV code. I guess that's because no one uses iTunes anymore.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

If that was the case, then I wouldn't own a single digital movie. There was no way I would have ever given $0.01 to Apple for a digital copy of anything.

UV came along and convinced me it was safe to invest because you aren't locked to just one tyrannical mega-corp. The listings I have under iTunes here on this site are only there because there is no DMA option for the database, so I list my DMA movies under iTunes.

I'm still a physical disk guy first, but I would still be a physical only if it wasn't for UV.

It would be nice to have iTunes sometimes because a digital copy sold out there is 1/4 the price of a UV code. I guess that's because no one uses iTunes anymore.

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. You are joking, right?

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

. You are joking, right?

No. About what? The fact that I can go buy a movie on Google+ and UV cost $5, iTunes for $1.50?

Wouldn't that indicate there is no demand?

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