Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bhampton

ok so I'll ask again and if no one responds the second time I'll take the hint,

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

Also, personally I think piracy will be considered cyber crime and become less common and far more dangerous for the end user. Everything is driven by pure greed now so piracy will be an easy target.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

I'm sure half the streaming services will be gone within 5 to 10 years some of which will be replaced by other ones under a different name and some of it will consolidate. The nice thing is that for the consumers a streaming company going under means almost nothing since consumers are paying monthly anyway.

Physical media properly taken care of will last at least a life time probably several. Even if they stopped producing it which is unlikely as its cheap and reaches markets the other 2 dont people will always have access to their physical collections.

Online movie services worry me the most. Sony bought funimation and merged it with crunchyroll. The odds are decent funimation is eventually going to be shut down and I'll lose all my digital copies. Digital copies you can no longer even download. Quite a few of the online movie services have changed hands over the years and each year the liabilitys these companies have increases. I expect eventually online services will either try to make you pay to access your library, insert ads or go under and start over to sell your collection to you all over again. Its just hard to see a company storing and streaming a movie for you for a life time off of a dollar or two.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by veritas

I'm sure half the streaming services will be gone within 5 to 10 years some of which will be replaced by other ones under a different name and some of it will consolidate. The nice thing is that for the consumers a streaming company going under means almost nothing since consumers are paying monthly anyway.

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

If only more people realized that. Movies have become a throwaway product for some.
Once seen, done with it, on to the next. Every day a new fix and never looking back.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

That's not true. All that would happen is the content would be licensed out to the other surviving streamers. Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

• AVS
• The Digital Bits
• DVD talk
• High-Def Digest
• Hollywood in Hi-Def
• Home Theater Forum
• Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
• Sound and Vision
• Media Play News
• Wide Screen Review

I have visited many of these for a long time now. Some have had name changes or mergers.

From memory so may be errors: From back when; Keith Jack, Stacey Spears, Kris Deering of Secrets magazine discovered CUE (chroma upsampling errors). Keith Jack of Sigma Designs (member of BDA) insisted on Blu-ray having the option to output the frame rate of the source material otherwise we would still have 3:2 pulldown. Took Apple a very long time to output integer frame rates, don’t know if Android has solved this riddle yet (use a frame rate app on my Shield Pro), last I heard Roku does for all except Netflix.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Exclusivity is one of the building blocks for a solid foundation to build a business on.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

You're gonna have to make up your mind, Lee. Now which is it ?

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

• AVS
• The Digital Bits
• DVD talk
• High-Def Digest
• Hollywood in Hi-Def
• Home Theater Forum
• Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
• Sound and Vision
• Media Play News
• Wide Screen Review

I have visited many of these for a long time now. Some have had name changes or mergers.

From memory so may be errors: From back when; Keith Jack, Stacey Spears, Kris Deering of Secrets magazine discovered CUE (chroma upsampling errors). Keith Jack of Sigma Designs (member of BDA) insisted on Blu-ray having the option to output the frame rate of the source material otherwise we would still have 3:2 pulldown. Took Apple a very long time to output integer frame rates, don’t know if Android has solved this riddle yet (use a frame rate app on my Shield Pro), last I heard Roku does for all except Netflix.

I used to visit DVDTalk, Hidefdigest and The Digital Bits. It's been a long time though.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Watched The Matrix again last night and I had forgot how good the new Dolby Atmos track was. Better than a lot of recent titles with Atmos.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's not true. All that would happen is the content would be licensed out to the other surviving streamers. Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

Something I actually agree with. Wow, is it a full moon?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Watched The Matrix again last night and I had forgot how good the new Dolby Atmos track was. Better than a lot of recent titles with Atmos.

Snap. Working through the trilogy currently. Going to watch the new one Monday. The Matrix looks and sounds fantastic.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's not true. All that would happen is the content would be licensed out to the other surviving streamers. Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

But, there has to be negotiation and sometimes negations fail.

or sometimes a finished product is simply canned in favor of a tax break.

I heard this happened to a BatGirl movie.

Quoted - "The film had been shot. Postproduction was almost complete. And then… Warner Bros. Discovery pulled the plug, canning the $90 million production and shelving Batgirl without a theatrical release. There’s no chance of it streaming online, either."


-Brian

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

[LIST][*] AVS
.

I'm here or at AVSForum.

No instagram, whatsapp, facebook, snapchat, twatter, meta, or anything like that.

-Brian

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I'm here or at AVSForum.

No instagram, whatsapp, facebook, snapchat, twatter, meta, or anything like that.

-Brian

Same here. No social media of any kind.
From what I hear I'm not missing anything.

I have an account here and one on IMDB.
I miss those message boards though.
Not the toxic ones but sometimes very good information over there.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

You're gonna have to make up your mind, Lee. Now which is it ?

Both can go hand in hand. You already know this. Don't play dumb.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

But, there has to be negotiation and sometimes negations fail.

or sometimes a finished product is simply canned in favor of a tax break.

I heard this happened to a BatGirl movie.

Quoted - "The film had been shot. Postproduction was almost complete. And then… Warner Bros. Discovery pulled the plug, canning the $90 million production and shelving Batgirl without a theatrical release. There’s no chance of it streaming online, either."


-Brian

So? How often does this happen? You are taking an isolated incident and trying to make it an every day occurrence.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Watched The Matrix again last night and I had forgot how good the new Dolby Atmos track was. Better than a lot of recent titles with Atmos.

The original trilogy on 4K is one of the best examples of going back and doing it right from a video and audio standpoint. I know the lobby scene from the first Matrix is and has been a go to demo for some time now, but there are a few scenes that run together in Revolutions that far exceed it. When the machines invade Zion running through Naiobe piloting the ship back to Zion is a top 3 demo for me. It is a bit long, but it has crazy bass extension and sweeps, immersive as hell, and a very active overhead. I asked a friend what they thought of the third Matrix, and they said they hated it. I popped it in and let it rip for the duration of those scenes, and he stood up saying that he has never experienced anything like that and his heart was pounding out of his chest. The 2nd and 3rd are still enjoyable in my mind from a movie standpoint, but it is the audio that makes me appreciate them much more.....still not as much as the first though.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

• AVS
• The Digital Bits
• DVD talk
• High-Def Digest
• Hollywood in Hi-Def
• Home Theater Forum
• Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
• Sound and Vision
• Media Play News
• Wide Screen Review

I have visited many of these for a long time now. Some have had name changes or mergers.

From memory so may be errors: From back when; Keith Jack, Stacey Spears, Kris Deering of Secrets magazine discovered CUE (chroma upsampling errors). Keith Jack of Sigma Designs (member of BDA) insisted on Blu-ray having the option to output the frame rate of the source material otherwise we would still have 3:2 pulldown. Took Apple a very long time to output integer frame rates, don’t know if Android has solved this riddle yet (use a frame rate app on my Shield Pro), last I heard Roku does for all except Netflix.

I visit a few of them from time to time, but one site you dont have listed that has found its way into rotation is:

https://geekvibesnation.com

Their movie and tv reviews seem to be more active, and they will review discs that this site doesn't get around to it seems.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

The original trilogy on 4K is one of the best examples of going back and doing it right from a video and audio standpoint. I know the bank scene from the first Matrix is and has been a go to demo for some time now, but there are a few scenes that run together in Revolutions that far exceed it. When the machines invade Zion running through Naiobe piloting the ship back to Zion is a top 3 demo for me. It is a bit long, but it has crazy bass extension and sweeps, immersive as hell, and a very active overhead. I asked a friend what they thought of the third Matrix, and they said they hated it. I popped it in and let it rip for the duration of those scenes, and he stood up saying that he has never experienced anything like that and his heart was pounding out of his chest. The 2nd and 3rd are still enjoyable in my mind from a movie standpoint, but it is the audio that makes me appreciate them much more.....still not as much as the first though.

Outstanding. I was disappointed with the third one on release, but now, without expectation, I can enjoy it. Like you say, outstanding A/V quality. Amongst the best for me!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's not true. All that would happen is the content would be licensed out to the other surviving streamers. Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

Only the popular titles. Plenty of unpopular titles will disappear completely because no streaming service will be interested in paying to license them out. Anything deemed offensive could be removed at any time as well and be completely unavailable to everyone.

Once someone owns a disc it's theirs forever. They don't have to rely on continued popularity and social acceptance to ensure that they can keep watching the movies and TV shows they love.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Only the popular titles. Plenty of unpopular titles will disappear completely because no streaming service will be interested in paying to license them out. Anything deemed offensive could be removed at any time as well and be completely unavailable to everyone.

Once someone owns a disc it's theirs forever. They don't have to rely on continued popularity and social acceptance to ensure that they can keep watching the movies and TV shows they love.

Not true. Have you looked at the content on Tubi? I don't think you have.

Owning something is not without risk: fire and theft.