Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Buying Discs is like buying books.

Streaming is like having a library card.

Library cards are free, so not really the same thing as streaming. There are no recurring subscription fees and no need for broadband internet service. Also, a book borrowed from the library is essentially the same quality as a book purchased from a retailer; that is not the case with streaming's lower quality. Libraries never censor or edit their books, either.


Libraries lend discs, too.

[bhampton]

Yeah... more like a library card you pay for (someone pays for the library with taxes) and the library gives you books without some of the pages.

One thing my library has is every Disney Blu. Maybe the library should have offered a subscription and lured people in by making it cheaper for 3 years upfront.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Yeah... more like a library card you pay for (someone pays for the library with taxes) and the library gives you books without some of the pages.

One thing my library has is every Disney Blu. Maybe the library should have offered a subscription and lured people in by making it cheaper for 3 years upfront.

Libraries are awesome and I am happy to support them; our taxes are well spent here.

[bhampton]

ok.... Sorry...bad analogy.

People will know eventually. You can't collect online copies ... if you do you are being foolish. The services selling them do not own them. I think it should really be against the law to mislead people this way.

Collecting movies is something I enjoy and I feel like you can only do that with the physical copies. The online services are here today gone tomorrow.

-Brian

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

As much as your hateful and vindictive self wants it to be the case, discs are not in a "death spiral."

Originally Posted by Ender14

I see the resident sadist is back spouting nonsense.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, I mean people really wanted to pay full price for Digital didn’t they?

People have replied on cheap codes and some even beg for freebies. Now that market is dying on its arse, you pretend that you meant subscription was the future. That was NOT what you were saying a while back. You were beating the drum for your Sony downloads and declaring them the future.

Hey Disc Guys, don't kill the messenger, I know Discs are your life but life moves on. Ender Discs will still be there for you, so don't blame me for their decline. Vilya Discs are on the way out, talk to anyone on the street and they are not buying them. The Profit Margin is just not there like it use to be, and Disc Distribution is declining that's Financial Fact.

Steedeel you talk about Film and Disc like they are one in the same, but Film was taken over by Digital a long time ago. Quentin Tarantino might be the last hold out, but Digital has taken over. These Master Film Files are stored on Servers, so your precious Discs are just copies of these Master Files.

We are talking about Distribution, Subscription, VOD, or Movies and TV Shows in The Cloud, it's all Streaming. Physical Distribution is just Disc. The Streaming Wars are on let's see what shakes out, but Physical is fading out and I'm not the cause so don't blame me!

[flyry]

Originally Posted by bhampton

A friend loaned me his Disney+ credentials and I tried watching Cars in 4K ATMOS.

It's not good. ... I mean it's good but I think an upsampled DVD could compete pretty well with it.

You may have a $140/month connection to the internet but the stuff available is reduced to almost nothing to distribute it to people on Wifi at the supermarket. I think of it like the radio. My cds sound better.

My UHD, BD, 3DBD, SACD, DVD, CD player (Sony X700) operates fine with the network dis-abled.
I can't overstate the comfort of actually owning some movies. Get them while you can.


-Brian

stop it

[BMox81]

This thread needs to be locked down.

Physical, digital. Does it really matter at the end of the day? Just enjoy the medium in whatever format you prefer.

So many more important things to be worrying about in this world.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey Disc Guys, don't kill the messenger, I know Discs are your life but life moves on. Ender Discs will still be there for you, so don't blame me for their decline. Vilya Discs are on the way out, talk to anyone on the street and they are not buying them. The Profit Margin is just not there like it use to be, and Disc Distribution is declining that's Financial Fact.

Steedeel you talk about Film and Disc like they are one in the same, but Film was taken over by Digital a long time ago. Quentin Tarantino might be the last hold out, but Digital has taken over. These Master Film Files are stored on Servers, so your precious Discs are just copies of these Master Files.

We are talking about Distribution, Subscription, VOD, or Movies and TV Shows in The Cloud, it's all Streaming. Physical Distribution is just Disc. The Streaming Wars are on let's see what shakes out, but Physical is fading out and I'm not the cause so don't blame me!

You are not a messenger and you have no message. You are barely even capable of posting a coherent comment and I am being charitable by allowing you even that much credit.

There is so much idiocy in your post that it reminds me of this famous Mark Twain quote:

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

Movies and TV shows on disc are my passion and my hobby. My family and my friends are my life.

I do not need to accost and verbally assault strangers, like you do, to know the status of the disc market. Instead of talking to random morons like yourself, I read the actual sales data.

Many specialty enthusiast products thrive in their respective niche markets; discs are just one of many such markets. Not everyone is a mindless sheep like you that has to embrace whatever the herd does to the exclusion of all else.

Discs are still profitable, thus why they are still being made and distributed. We are getting more titles on disc each year, not less, and that more than demonstrates that studios value this source of revenue and profit. Sales are down, but the distribution of ever more titles on disc continues unabated; the selection on disc is unrivaled. These are facts, unlike the blunt force trauma to the head induced fantasies that you attempt to pass as being factual.

How movies are shot is irrelevant. Despite your insistence, not everything digital is equivalent. A digitally shot movie, or one shot on traditional chemical film, will still be better represented on a disc than it will be from an excessively compressed stream.

Lastly, no one blames you for how disc sales are doing. You are not that significant that an entire market hinges upon what you do, or do not, buy.

What we blame you for is being the consummate jack *** that takes every opportunity to gleefully, and erroneously, tell us that discs are doomed. You are nothing but a halfwit troll who wishes to annoy people, but you are so incompetent that all you accomplish is to cement your title as the laughing stock of this forum.

[BMox81]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

In that case most of internet should be locked down so we can focus on more important things.

What are you even doing on this forum? Shouldn't you be spending your time on more important things?

Ok mate.

As I’ve just had to tell someone in a PM (major lol there), there is no right or wrong answer here. It’s the same people regurgitating the same old drivel day after day. What exactly are people expecting to achieve?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by BMox81

Ok mate.

As I’ve just had to tell someone in a PM (major lol there), there is no right or wrong answer here. It’s the same people regurgitating the same old drivel day after day. What exactly are people expecting to achieve?

This thread should not be locked down just because you do not enjoy it or see any value in it.

As for the same people "regurgitating the same old drivel" that applies to almost every thread on this website. If you are looking for all original thought provoking discourse on an internet forum then you will be disappointed far more often than not.

I can't speak to why other people post here, but I am here because I am entertained. That is all the reason that I need, too. If you do not like it here, then you are free to leave and frequent a more stimulating thread, or, if you are such a scintillating conversationalist, start your own thread and see how long you can keep it fresh. If you can do better then show us; lead by example.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Just imagine if someone like BMox was in charge of a streaming service:

"I don't like this movie... I'll delete it. This TV show is pointless.... I'll delete it. People should be watching more important things... I'll delete these."

They have plenty of people like that already. He can keep worrying about more important things.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by flyry

stop it

Did you try watching 4K ATMOS Disney+ content ? ... I did and it just made me glad that Disney has released so many UHD BDs. Disney+ is convenient way to watch terrible versions of good movies.

I think Disney has released more UHD discs than any studio by far. They give you the option - Theater Quality version or streaming to an iPad at the supermarket version. I have not watched Star Wars on Disney+ and I won't. The UHD discs are surely coming near the release of the next film. I really enjoy Pixar, Marvel and Star Wars movies and would prefer to get the best version available.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BMox81

This thread needs to be locked down.

Physical, digital. Does it really matter at the end of the day? Just enjoy the medium in whatever format you prefer.

So many more important things to be worrying about in this world.

Can I tell you what does need to be locked down? People coming into threads, not contributing, then telling everyone the thread needs to be locked down. Jog on.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Did you try watching 4K ATMOS Disney+ content ? ... I did and it just made me glad that Disney has released so many UHD BDs.

These services can’t even get that right. I here Apple’s 4K HDR versions have disappeared for some films. Don’t know if it’s a bug or glitch but that’s unacceptable. .

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

They have plenty of people like that already. He can keep worrying about more important things.

There are more important things than film?

I can only think of family, that’s it. Family, memories and then film. They are not mutually exclusive either. Some of my best memories involve family and films.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by flyry

stop it

I wasn't kidding when I said Disney+ video was disappointing.

Turns out video professionals tested Disney+ HDR and found it set to a very low dynamic range of 200 NITS maximum and ironically setting it up to output SDR gives you a higher dynamic range.

True ? ... Well the numbers don't lie. I knew it looked bad and turns out there's a reason.

The Mandalorian on Disney Plus HDR Analysis - YouTube

Disney+ is a convienent way to watch terrible versions of good movies.

-Brian

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I wasn't kidding when I said Disney+ video was disappointing.

Turns out video professionals tested Disney+ HDR and found it set to 200 NITS and ironically setting it up for SDR gives you a higher dynamic range.

True ? ... Well the numbers don't lie.

The Mandalorian on Disney Plus HDR Analysis - YouTube


Disney+ is a convienent way to watch terrible versions of good movies.

-Brian

Can we switch the Disney and just have Digital instead? That could be your/our catchphrase.

[bhampton]

Streaming shouldn't really be nicknamed Digital but too late for that.

All of my movies are Digital. Every CD, DVD, SACD, Blu Ray, 3DBD, UHD BD is nothing but Digital.
(I don't do vinyl ... I'm happy for those who enjoy it.)

Streaming is a convenient way to watch terrible versions of movies.

I don't remember who said ...

"Every movie deserves to be seen in the highest possible quality"

I agree. Same for music... If you haven't heard Dark Side of the Moon in 5.1 24 96 then you should if you like that album. Quality is addictive. Why upgrade Home Theater gear while downgrading the content?


=Brian

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Streaming shouldn't really be nicknamed Digital but too late for that.

All of my movies are Digital. Every CD, DVD, SACD, Blu Ray, 3DBD, UHD BD is nothing but Digital.
(I don't do vinyl ... I'm happy for those who enjoy it.)

Streaming is a convenient way to watch terrible versions of movies.

I don't remember who said ...

"Every movie deserves to be seen in the highest possible quality"

I agree. Same for music... If you haven't heard Dark Side of the Moon in 5.1 24 96 then you should if you like that album. Quality is addictive. Why upgrade Home Theater gear while downgrading the content?


=Brian

It will probably be me who said that. Pretty sure I have typed those words.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey Disc Guys, don't kill the messenger, I know Discs are your life but life moves on. Ender Discs will still be there for you, so don't blame me for their decline. ....but Physical is fading out and I'm not the cause so don't blame me!

I don't blame you for anything other than being a pathetic, hateful little troll.