8K is available yet 4K hangs on like a disease that killed someone dear to you. Why? - Blu-ray Forum

I KEEL YOU · 05-21-2015, 05:22 AM

Why is 4K talked about so much when 8K technology is already available? Can't we skip this over and avoid the inevitable while we can? 8K broadcasts are already starting in Japan. The hilarious thing is that we keep talking about 4K like it's the future when in fact 8K is already the present.

4K only has 6.220.800 more pixels than HD.
8K has a whopping 29.454.336 more pixels than 4K!

So as you can see 8K is a way bigger upgrade over 4K than 4K is over HD. By adopting 8K and skipping this temporary 4K nonsense we would automatically future proof ALL motion pictures filmed EVER, from Lawrence of Arabia and 2001: A Space Odyssey to newer releases like The Master and various IMAX films. Not to mention the fact that we could also shut down the debate of whether various 35mm films such as super 35mm ones benefit more from a 6K scan than a 4K one, since 8K obviously covers 6K. I blame the uninformed masses who are obviously satisfied with inferior technology and are ready to be milked for profits by corporations who would of course rather have them gradually buy into several technological steps when we could have it all right now.

Adopt 8K now!
8K master race! 4K and 2K = simpleton peasants.

rdodolak · 05-21-2015, 05:45 AM

The BDA needs something to use for the next physical media after UHD of course.

And to think that the "simpleton peasants" are satisfied with DVD (0.4K).

I KEEL YOU · 05-21-2015, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdodolak

The BDA needs something to use for the next physical media after UHD of course.

And to think that the "simpleton peasants" are satisfied with DVD (0.4K).

4K has 9.091.584 more pixels than DVD.
8K has a 29.454.336 more pixels than 4K.

8K over 4K is obviously a waaaaay bigger leap forward than 4K is over DVD. We're talking over 19 million pixels more here. That ain't no chump change. Yet for some mysterious reason there seems to be the least debate about what should be the most demanded upgrade by far. The 4K people have done an excellent job at brainwashing people into thinking that it's a major upgrade while convinently disregarding 8K.

BluBonnet · 05-21-2015, 06:50 AM

So what's going to come after 8k - 12k or 16k?

Blu-Dog · 05-21-2015, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

The 4K people have done an excellent job at brainwashing people into thinking that it's a major upgrade while convinently disregarding 8K.

You don't know much about manufacturing or marketing, do you?

I KEEL YOU · 05-21-2015, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

So what's going to come after 8k - 12k or 16k?

These are hypotheticals. The only thing I've read about 12k or 16k so far is when the image is spread over several 4K screens.

I'm only talking about current available technology, on one screen. And 8K exists in this form.

Joce · 05-21-2015, 10:20 AM

Ok sorry but unless you have a 100 inch tv at your home, a 8k Tv will be totally useless. These TVs will not be sold in the public market for years, and like you said a niche of movies have been shot in 70mm (8k). So it will be upscaled from 4k most of the time.

Japan=/= rest of the world.

Japan plans to democratize 8k for 2020. So don't expect this before 10 years in Europe or America.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1279...tokyo-olympics

For the moment enjoy 1080p

Derb · 05-21-2015, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

These are hypotheticals. The only thing I've read about 12k or 16k so far is when the image is spread over several 4K screens.

I'm only talking about current available technology, on one screen. And 8K exists in this form.

Indeed,

I posted this awhile ago.

Sharp is making them & 8K will broadcast in Japan sometime this winter.

Dylan34 · 05-21-2015, 11:54 AM

How many of you have even purchased a 4K panel yet? Now, people are worried about 8K? Could you even afford an 8K display large enough to get FULL use out of it? This thread is nuts man, I'm sorry!!

Blu-ray Neo · 05-21-2015, 12:11 PM

There will come a time when it will be pointless to upgrade. I'm not sure about the exact resolution, but the human eye can only see so much.

18X? 32K? What is the limit?

Coenskubrick · 05-21-2015, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

There will come a time when it will be pointless to upgrade. I'm not sure about the exact resolution, but the human eye can only see so much.

18X? 32K? What is the limit?

Pretty much 4k. 1080p is already so close to perfect, 4k basically is. Maybe 8k so they can have 4k 3D.

I know this thread is a joke.

Blu-ray Neo · 05-21-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

Pretty much 4k. 1080p is already so close to perfect, 4k basically is. Maybe 8k so they can have 4k 3D.

I know this thread is a joke.

Exactly. I mean, when is it enough?

To me, it sounds like nothing more than a cash-grab by the corporations. If the human eye can only see say, 4k then what's the point of 8, 9, 12K and so on?

Pointless.

Joce · 05-21-2015, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

There will come a time when it will be pointless to upgrade. I'm not sure about the exact resolution, but the human eye can only see so much.

18X? 32K? What is the limit?

Depend the display size and the viewing distance. There is no limit, even with a 16k display screen you can see a difference, but maybe with a 150 inch screen haha.

Naiera · 05-21-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Why is 4K talked about so much when 8K technology is already available?

Nobody really needs UHD. Blu-ray with better bit depth, less compression, etc. would be more than enough.

Thus, ABSOLUTELY NO CONSUMER IN THE WORLD needs any sort of 8K.

Naiera · 05-21-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joce

Depend the display size and the viewing distance. There is no limit, even with a 16k display screen you can see a difference, but maybe with a 150 inch screen haha.

Only if you put your nose on the display.

Kirsty_Mc · 05-21-2015, 12:40 PM

I detect an ironic post (I think).

Derb · 05-21-2015, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

There will come a time when it will be pointless to upgrade. I'm not sure about the exact resolution, but the human eye can only see so much.

18X? 32K? What is the limit?

True, that's the resolution that actually is as lifelike as.. well life.

So the limit for the human eye would probably be around 1.6 million K squared

refnulf · 05-21-2015, 12:45 PM

I'm waiting for 8k.

KRW1 · 05-21-2015, 01:16 PM

It's a joke but 8k will definitely come. You can giggle about it, and moan about it, but it will come. Not soon, but eventually.

I don't expect movies to be it's focus though, it's going to be about big screen sporting events and things of that ilk. With this in mind, I doubt there'll be an 8k disc.

(but then I never really thought a 4k disc would be a thing, so what do I know.)

wally06020 · 05-21-2015, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derb

True, that's the resolution that actually is as lifelike as.. well life.

So the limit for the human eye would probably be around 1.6 million K squared

http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedeta...esolution.html

05-21-2015, 05:22 AM	#1
I KEEL YOU Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:May 2011 4K collection:52 Blu-ray collection:441 DVD collection:42	8K is available yet 4K hangs on like a disease that killed someone dear to you. Why? Why is 4K talked about so much when 8K technology is already available? Can't we skip this over and avoid the inevitable while we can? 8K broadcasts are already starting in Japan. The hilarious thing is that we keep talking about 4K like it's the future when in fact 8K is already the present. 4K only has 6.220.800 more pixels than HD. 8K has a whopping 29.454.336 more pixels than 4K! So as you can see 8K is a way bigger upgrade over 4K than 4K is over HD. By adopting 8K and skipping this temporary 4K nonsense we would automatically future proof ALL motion pictures filmed EVER, from Lawrence of Arabia and 2001: A Space Odyssey to newer releases like The Master and various IMAX films. Not to mention the fact that we could also shut down the debate of whether various 35mm films such as super 35mm ones benefit more from a 6K scan than a 4K one, since 8K obviously covers 6K. I blame the uninformed masses who are obviously satisfied with inferior technology and are ready to be milked for profits by corporations who would of course rather have them gradually buy into several technological steps when we could have it all right now. Adopt 8K now! 8K master race! 4K and 2K = simpleton peasants.

05-21-2015, 10:20 AM	#7
Joce Active Member Member since:Nov 2010	Ok sorry but unless you have a 100 inch tv at your home, a 8k Tv will be totally useless. These TVs will not be sold in the public market for years, and like you said a niche of movies have been shot in 70mm (8k). So it will be upscaled from 4k most of the time. Japan=/= rest of the world. Japan plans to democratize 8k for 2020. So don't expect this before 10 years in Europe or America. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1279...tokyo-olympics For the moment enjoy 1080p Last edited by Joce; 05-21-2015 at 10:36 AM.

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05-21-2015, 05:45 AM	#2
rdodolak Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 4K collection:479 Blu-ray collection:3116 DVD collection:939 MA collection:338 Digital collection:1099 iTunes collection:75 Prime collection:11 Trading Score:20	The BDA needs something to use for the next physical media after UHD of course. And to think that the "simpleton peasants" are satisfied with DVD (0.4K).

05-21-2015, 06:50 AM	#4
BluBonnet Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Oct 2009 Trading Score:1	So what's going to come after 8k - 12k or 16k?

05-21-2015, 11:54 AM	#9
Dylan34 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:529 DVD collection:138	How many of you have even purchased a 4K panel yet? Now, people are worried about 8K? Could you even afford an 8K display large enough to get FULL use out of it? This thread is nuts man, I'm sorry!!

05-21-2015, 12:11 PM	#10
Blu-ray Neo Special Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Duncan, SC USA 4K collection:138 Blu-ray collection:1920 DVD collection:49 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:156	There will come a time when it will be pointless to upgrade. I'm not sure about the exact resolution, but the human eye can only see so much. 18X? 32K? What is the limit?

05-21-2015, 12:40 PM	#16
Kirsty_Mc Power Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray collection:536 Blu-ray reviews: 21	I detect an ironic post (I think).

05-21-2015, 12:45 PM	#18
refnulf Power Member Member since:Jun 2010 Location:MY Trading Score:36	I'm waiting for 8k.

05-21-2015, 01:16 PM	#19
KRW1 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2012 Blu-ray collection:45	It's a joke but 8k will definitely come. You can giggle about it, and moan about it, but it will come. Not soon, but eventually. I don't expect movies to be it's focus though, it's going to be about big screen sporting events and things of that ilk. With this in mind, I doubt there'll be an 8k disc. (but then I never really thought a 4k disc would be a thing, so what do I know.)

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