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Old 03-24-2020, 12:50 PM   #61
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They did 4k DI all the way back in 2004? That's insane! Well that explains that, thanks!
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Old 03-24-2020, 01:00 PM   #62
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Other movies were finished in 4K around that time (like Origins: Wolverine) as it seemed like 4K was going to be the next big thing, but while it took over on the scanning/restoration side it was pretty much shunned by new films, aside from Sony's long-standing commitment and filmmakers with enough clout to insist upon 4K like Roger Deakins (though even then not everything they did was 100% 4K).
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Old 03-24-2020, 03:37 PM   #63
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Yeah, I always thought 4K Ultra HD was a dumb term. Now I'm tempted to ask what everyone else would have called the format.
I wish they'd just stuck with "Ultra HD Blu-ray", using "4K Ultra HD" as a descriptor rather than marketing that as the name of the format. Aside from a few folks here, no one I come across online says 'Ultra HD Blu-ray' or 'UHD BD'.
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Old 03-24-2020, 04:31 PM   #64
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Most movies don't have that much CG.
They absolutely do.

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Old 03-24-2020, 08:56 PM   #65
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depends on the movie and studio. It varies so much.

Jurassic World 2 looked great as an upscale. Alita looked amazing too, despite being an upscale. Aquaman also deserves good points. Especially that scene where he dons the classic suit for the first time.

Most (if not all) upscales by Disney are garbage money printers.
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...and most of it is stuff nobody even notices.
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No, they don't. Instead of you cherry-picking, how about I pick a random movie for you? How much CG was there in Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri? It was finished in 2K.

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Old 03-25-2020, 02:01 AM   #68
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At a time where there has never been more CGI infused into films from Hollywood I don't know how you say with a straight face... "No, they don't"

Even when it's a drama/thriller like Zodiac where you wouldn't expect it from watching it there is as much CGI shots as created for full blown action movies in the 90's.
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Old 03-25-2020, 02:01 AM   #69
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No, they don't.
You’ve clearly made up your mind in spite of the facts, but a few more articles for you to disregard:

Last year’s most impressive VFX shots were barely noticeable
Why 'invisible effects' are Hollywood's best kept secret
Top blockbuster VFX you're not meant to see
How Parasite Uses Brilliant Design and Invisible VFX to Transcend Language

VFX isn’t limited to giant robots or whatever. You aren’t aware of the overwhelming majority of them because you’re not meant to be.
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It comes down to $$$, and CGI keeps getting more inexpensive compared to the alternative. Pretty soon the amount of CGI will surpass unmolested footage in most all movies.
Pretty simple, well-known facts.
"Can't we just do that with CGI instead of having to build/hire x?"
"Why yes, yes we can."
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A recent example: Ford v Ferrari, much like the already mentioned Pacific Rim, received nearly unanimous praise from trusted reviewers in spite of its 2K upscale.

It's pretty much diminishing returns at this point. There's so many different factors at play (bitrate, encoding, DNR, possibly even HDR, et cetera).

I used to have the same frustrations when I first adopted the new technology but it's not worth losing sleep over "fake 4K". I used to think Native 4K + Dolby Vision FEL was some kind of "unicorn", but if the factors above aren't also in place, 4K DI+DV FEL are pretty much worthless.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:48 PM   #72
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No, they don't. Instead of you cherry-picking, how about I pick a random movie for you? How much CG was there in Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri? It was finished in 2K.
Why don't you ask the team of visual effects artists on that film? LOTS of digital artists.

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Olivia Beresford ... digital compositor
Silvio Castagna Muscella ... matchmove artist
Amy Denny-Guerin ... visual effects artist
Lisa Theresa Downey-Dent ... visual effects production assistant
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Why don't you ask the team of visual effects artists on that film? LOTS of digital artists.
And some examples of their work.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:50 PM   #74
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No, they don't. Instead of you cherry-picking, how about I pick a random movie for you? How much CG was there in Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri? It was finished in 2K.
My point wasn't the specific film, but the fact that CGI is these days used for all sorts of shots that don't look like CGI at all, so your statement that most films don't have any is baseless. But, as has been ably demonstrated in this thread, Three Billboards does indeed have a ton of CGI work.
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