Any rumors about Buffy the Vampire Slayer show coming out on Blu-ray?

[Panemlights]

Originally Posted by Reddkryten

Yeah, but that shot was supposed to have that colour tint. During filming the team would have put a note on the reel saying "tint it this way". We're not seeing the scene as it was originally shot... We're seeing the scene unfinished.

It's not really different than if Buffy staked a vampire... and it didn't turn to dust because the remastering team forgot to add the dust effect.

I know that. It's just that they obviously have not bothered color correcting any of the shots so far. It's an easy fix if they're planning on selling the show on Blu-ray.

Correcting color is completely different from rendering VFX.

[slainery]

LOL, the people going out of their way to notice camera/mic stands and tiny projectors, like..

[samukas]

Originally Posted by slainery

LOL, the people going out of their way to notice camera/mic stands and tiny projectors, like..

Well, I did say it was tiny. Not trying to make a huge deal of it, but it's still here. Ot maybe it's a street light? Perhaps...

The other 3 are definitely noticeable, though.

[Reddkryten]

Thank you.

I agree it is easier to colour correct than to rerender effects. However my point is, at what point is a line crossed. If a vampire didn't turn to dust and we saw the actor standing in frame, it is a major problem as it changes the plot. Although we would be seeing what was originally shot.

Colour correction (usually) has less of an impact on the plot, but it can compleatly change the mood. The Coen brothers released a black and white noir film. It was shot in colour stock and converted to black and white in post. A few prints were accidentally released in colour, changing the film and presentation entirely.

I have my own personal definition of where the line is and when it can and cannot be crossed. On one hand the colours on the BluRay will not be the same as the DVD, none of my blus are. Some of those changes are just shades and tints DVDs were unable to resolve showing up, others are deliberate changes.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by samukas

Well, I did say it was tiny. Not trying to make a huge deal of it, but it's still here.

The other 3 are definitely noticeable, though.

Does it spoil your enjoyment of the show? Just asking.

[Nico Darko]

Originally Posted by Panemlights

Okay let's be real for a second here. All they did was not color correct the scene. What we're seeing is just the original, un-edited colors from what they shot on film. It's really not that bad.

Is this really how it looks like as it was shot ?? I find that very surprising. I'm pretty sure the cinematographer is there to make sure the image looks a certain way, and there's the option to edit the colors later.

[Panemlights]

Originally Posted by Nico Darko

Is this really how it looks like as it was shot ?? I find that very surprising. I'm pretty sure the cinematographer is there to make sure the image looks a certain way, and there's the option to edit the colors later.

Yep. Everything we've seen so far in regards to color should be the closest thing to what was shot on film.

Most of the colors we see on the DVD were edited in post.

[Buffdale]

DVD / Pivot SD 3x01 Anne

This brownish tint...

[Panemlights]

Don't be so delusional

With cropping issues gone, the only issue in this episode is the beach scene coloring. They could probably darken scenes with the demon to make the fake mask less revealing, but that's honestly it.

[Buffdale]

Originally Posted by Panemlights

Don't be so delusional

Some scenes. Not the entire episode .

[Panemlights]

Originally Posted by Buffdale

Some scenes. Not the entire episode .

[Show spoiler]

Well first of all it's not brown lol. Red yes. But that's common in remasters. It's definitely more natural and not too dark/contrasted.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by Buffdale

DVD / Pivot SD 3x01 Anne

This brownish tint...

Well, besides the beach scene (which gives me a headache), it's fair to say that it looks better than the DVD... which nobody seems the question either. The DVD quality shouldn't even be that much of a reliable point of comparison considering how compressed the picture is in the first place.

[DragonQ]

Originally Posted by Nico Darko

It's SO bad that I can't believe a human person can be responsible for this, it looks like it was done by a computer, and they aired the episode without even checking what it looked like.

There can only be two explanations: either they aren't using the existing SD masters as a reference (which would be extremely dumb) or they have decided that the way the current masters look is wrong for whatever reason. How they can decide such a thing without the involvement of the original team is beyond me.

EDIT: Well actually there's also the "can't be arsed" explanation.

Originally Posted by slainery

LOL, the people going out of their way to notice camera/mic stands and tiny projectors, like..

It's good to document errors no matter how small. Feels a bit like we're beta testers here.

Originally Posted by Panemlights

Don't be so delusional

With cropping issues gone, the only issue in this episode is the beach scene coloring. They could probably darken scenes with the demon to make the fake mask less revealing, but that's honestly it.

I wouldn't expect there to be many cropping errors from here on in. Only the first two series were shot on 16 mm so I'd have thought the amount of 16:9 protection for series 3 would be the same as 4-7.

[samukas]

Originally Posted by slainery

Does it spoil your enjoyment of the show? Just asking.

Look, I was obviously looking at the sides to see if I could spot anything. But it cheapens the show for sure.
I do hope that there is a widescreen release of Buffy... Blu-Ray, Digital HD, or some way I can get it with good quality. So, I am not against this in wide. But if you are opening up the sides of the frame on purpose, you should expect things like this to happen.

Since this remaster is being done, I would expect them to fix this kind of crap. Of course with the amount of things not being done, it does not surprise me. But it should be done!

Originally Posted by DragonQ

It's good to document errors no matter how small. Feels a bit like we're beta testers here.

Now, if only we could deliver our beta testing to whatever mysterious remastering team is handling this

Originally Posted by DragonQ

I wouldn't expect there to be many cropping errors from here on in. Only the first two series were shot on 16 mm so I'd have thought the amount of 16:9 protection for series 3 would be the same as 4-7.

Season 2 cropping job was not to hide goofs/errors a great majority of the time, I would say. So I am not too hopeful for season 3. We'll see how it goes, I guess. I've only seen Buffdale's comparison (thanks for that, once again! ), but I was expecting worse in terms of framing.

Season 4 is probably the with the most goofs, so if anything maybe S3 could be on that same level if they don't fix anything?

But I don't think they protected for 16:9 in S4-S7... at all! Which is actually what I don't understand. Clearly... clearly! someone had to know that widescreen versions were being sent abroad - I mean, they were done by Mutant Enemy - so while I respect the crew for saying "4:3 is the version of the show you should be watching", if there was a different version being shown abroad at the time I would have expected to at least keep the equipment outside of the frame.

[DragonQ]

Originally Posted by samukas

Season 4 is probably the with the most goofs, so if anything maybe S3 could be on that same level if they don't fix anything?

Yes, series 4 definitely has the most 16:9 issues. It might be that the decision to release a 16:9 master to Europe was made after most or all of series 4 was shot and the creative team were only consciously thinking about 16:9 after starting shooting series 5.

Originally Posted by samukas

But I don't think they protected for 16:9 in S4-S7... at all! Which is actually what I don't understand. Clearly... clearly! someone had to know that widescreen versions were being sent abroad - I mean, they were done by Mutant Enemy - so while I respect the crew for saying "4:3 is the version of the show you should be watching", if there was a different version being shown abroad at the time I would have expected to at least keep the equipment outside of the frame.

Depends how you look at it. If they did not protect for 16:9 at all you'd expect nearly every scene to have 16:9 issues. Since it's nowhere near as bad as that, I think it's more likely that they were conscious of the 16:9 area but gave it a fairly low priority. Hence, in certain cases it was more important to get the shot right than to make sure the 16:9 safe area was protected.

[Drewbee87]

The darker tones they used for the show actually helped "Anne" a little, it helped by sort of hiding the obvious stunt mats that are all around the stage for the big fight scene. You can still see them in the OAR though.

[samukas]

Originally Posted by Drewbee87

The darker tones they used for the show actually helped "Anne" a little, it helped by sort of hiding the obvious stunt mats that are all around the stage for the big fight scene. You can still see them in the OAR though.

Also the prosthetics.
The mats are SO obvious it's ridiculous... I mean, did they think people wouldn't see them? They are in the OAR and very visible in the DVDs as well, but yesterday watching "Anne", I couldn't stop looking at them

[Drewbee87]

I didn't watch the whole episode, so I didn't get a good look at the prosthetics. I was more worried about the fight scene and those mats. lol

[Drewbee87]

Decided to look at my season 3 set just to see how visible the mats are in "Anne", and noticed something worse. The crew in the shot, one isn't as bad but then there's another shot that shows them all. Seems they were slacking off during the filming of this scene.

[d514]

Originally Posted by Nico Darko

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They're obviously still using the same crappy team, the colors look worse than ever, it doesn't even look like the same show. The beach scene is just a joke.

So depressing

Yes! Every time I look into this thread I don't know if I want to scream or cry...

Originally Posted by Panemlights

Okay let's be real for a second here. All they did was not color correct the scene. What we're seeing is just the original, un-edited colors from what they shot on film. It's really not that bad.

Originally Posted by Panemlights

I know that. It's just that they obviously have not bothered color correcting any of the shots so far.

Originally Posted by Panemlights

Yep. Everything we've seen so far in regards to color should be the closest thing to what was shot on film.

Most of the colors we see on the DVD were edited in post.

Are you serious? "All they did was not color correct the scene"?

That's like manufacturing a car and forgetting to put paint on it. When you shoot on film you can't just scan it and have a good result without color correction. It's impossible. When a show or a film is produced there are decisions made on how it should look. This creates a certain look, mood and feel to a scene. Changing this is not some minor mistake.

Originally Posted by Panemlights

They could probably darken scenes with the demon to make the fake mask less revealing, but that's honestly it.

Here is a comparison of good vs. bad remastering.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9930
Everything except the tractor beam (the light coming from the ship on the right) was shot on film in 1989. Season 2 looks like cheap plastic, Season 3 looks much better. Color and brightness have a huge effect on the quality of effects pre CGI.


The Buffy season 3 screenshots proof that no one cares about this remaster. The aspect ratio and the framing is still a joke with all the equipment visible and again there are scenes which show less on all four sides compared to the 4:3 original. Everything about color and brightness is wrong. "Oh no! A shadow on the face! Let's brighten the picture up until everyone looks like a pale vampire wearing clothes with faded colors!"

I was so excited when I heard about this remaster but after seeing the results I think the money which is invested in this train wreck should have been giving to some charity. At least that would make sense.