Any rumors about Buffy the Vampire Slayer show coming out on Blu-ray?

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by slainery

Why you rolling your eyes at me?

[NL197]

I find it very, very funny that the one thing they have in a full 16:9 frame is the Mutant Enemy and Kuzui / Sandollar Television tag, shown in full on both shows, and they cropped the hell out of it instead.

[seannyd]

What I don't understand is why bother redoing the effects if you're not going to do them right? Firefly worked just fine with upscaled effects, so I'll take it. But if they're just half-assing the new work, then it just doesn't make sense to me.

Although to be honest, I've only done one total viewing of the Buffy/Angel in the summer of 2010 and haven't watched it again since, so honestly, I'm sure I wouldn't even notice as sad as that is to say. I really want this in my collection ASAP though, but the way these companies seem to drag their feet on Blu Ray TV isn't all that inspiring.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

Why you rolling your eyes at me?

Because I'm sure you didn't have any issues with the widescreen presentation of S4-S7 before, bar the goofs - which are also noticeable in the first three seasons - ... but now it puts you off? I mean, were you bothered by the dead space~ and the way it was shot back then?

(Serious question)

[theprestige85]

Originally Posted by slainery

Because I'm sure you didn't have any issues with the widescreen presentation of S4-S7 before, bar the goofs - which are also noticeable in the first three seasons - ... but now it puts you off? I mean, were you bothered by the dead space~ and the way it was shot back then?

(Serious question)

I DID have an issue with the widescreen presentations. Granted, I wasn't as wounded as the other purists and felt that the widescreen versions added a cinematic quality to the show and even worked on certain eps, but ultimately, it's not the way the show was intended to be seen and I think we owe to Whedon and co to see the show the way he would want us to.

Now, when I say it put me off, I guess I meant that the very notion of tampering with somebody's work and thus changing a lot about it really rubbed me up the wrong way. Seeing Buffy cropped the way it has been reminded me of why you shouldn't change a fundamental feature of a presentation and that extends to season 4-7, despite not necessarily being 'bad' with it's opened up space.

[Drewbee87]

I've been watching the show the way it's intended since 1997, but I still prefer to watch the show in 16:9.

[Buffdale]

When do you think the Blu-Ray release could be programmed ? And the annoucement ?

I hope they do not expect the end of the series. I think we can hope something in a few months, for example in January for the press release. The third season will be completely broadcasted, and this is the last one for which Fox didn't have an opinion on the 16:9 aspect ratio.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by theprestige85

I DID have an issue with the widescreen presentations. Granted, I wasn't as wounded as the other purists and felt that the widescreen versions added a cinematic quality to the show and even worked on certain eps, but ultimately, it's not the way the show was intended to be seen and I think we owe to Whedon and co to see the show the way he would want us to.

Now, when I say it put me off, I guess I meant that the very notion of tampering with somebody's work and thus changing a lot about it really rubbed me up the wrong way. Seeing Buffy cropped the way it has been reminded me of why you shouldn't change a fundamental feature of a presentation and that extends to season 4-7, despite not necessarily being 'bad' with it's opened up space.

So basically, you go against something that you rather enjoyed and with which you had no issue to retrospectively to pay your respects... yeah that seems a bit "strange" to me. "Strange" in the sense that the 4:3 versions are already available (albeit not in HD) and that it is not tampering with the show the same way censoring, wrong order and/or bad dubbing do - French folks know what I'm talking about. To me, it would only make sense if nobody had had access to the fullscreen version while Whedon kept complaining in the press.

Also, the whole "true fan" rhetoric exhibited in this thread, calling people who enjoy the widescreen presentation 6packJoe (not you, I know) and whatnot, is not a good look either and sounds ridiculous from people who did not have such issues a few weeks ago. Just saying.

[GenPion]

All I know is I want a Complete Series Blu-ray set in 4:3 as intended, no DNR applied, with lossless audio, ported over extras, and a few cool new ones. It can be in a deluxe special packaging or standard Blu-ray cases per season in a gift set. Either way, and I will give them money. Please release this Fox! And also release Angel on Blu-ray too.

Wouldn't this be pleasing to most of you? Even those of you who wanted the widescreen version?

[Buffdale]

Originally Posted by GenPion

All I know is I want a Complete Series Blu-ray set in 4:3 as intended, no DNR applied, with lossless audio, ported over extras, and a few cool new ones. It can be in a deluxe special packaging or standard Blu-ray cases per season in a gift set. Either way, and I will give them money. Please release this Fox! And I'd get Angel too.

Same here !
For the aspect ratio, I'm a little more... "open minded". All I want is that there is no loss, and no goofs.
I'm mostly concerned about the overall quality of the image. Brightness, contrast, the DNR, special effects...

I hope we will have all the deleted scenes, and... why not a special gift set with an object ? I wonder if they will end the eighth season (and the ninth). This could be a bonus... But that's not my priority AT ALL. Perhaps the unaired pilot.


I want Angel too !

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by slainery

So basically, you go against something that you rather enjoyed and with which you had no issue to retrospectively to pay your respects... yeah that seems a bit "strange" to me. "Strange" in the sense that the 4:3 versions are already available (albeit not in HD) and that it is not tampering with the show the same way censoring, wrong order and/or bad dubbing do - French folks know what I'm talking about. To me, it would only make sense if nobody had had access to the fullscreen version while Whedon kept complaining in the press.

Also, the whole "true fan" rhetoric exhibited in this thread, calling people who enjoy the widescreen presentation 6packJoe (not you, I know) and whatnot, is not a good look either and sounds ridiculous from people who did not have such issues a few weeks ago. Just saying.

I believe I used the term. For the record 4-7 wide bothered me too. Especially The Body. Which loses an atmospheric quality in the widescreen presentation. The show is art. You may not feel that way but it is. It deserves to be presented on BD the way it was intended to be seen. Being that this is as much a de facto preservation as a remaster it's even more important.

[simonynwa]

I don't think any OAR purists like myself think that those that enjoy the widescreen presentation are not true fans of Buffy - the OAR issue has nothing really to do with just Buffy. I do however think that when it comes to OAR, there are many that either don't understand what OAR is instead thinking of it as simply more picture or do understand and just don't care - that is exactly a 6packJoe mentality towards OAR, not Buffy the show (perhaps maybe the makers a little since they seem to prefer 4x3) because it devalues the composition of the shots and the work of cinematographers and filmmakers who actually do this for a living.

And please let's not suggest that OAR purists should be happy enough with the DVDs as they are already available in 4x3.

And whilst I don't necessarily agree with theprestige85 views, I don't see how he can't have a concern for the artist's rights to have their work represented correctly irrespective of whether he likes it in 16x9 (which he at least argued for on the merits of preferred composition rather than just filling your screen).

[Drewbee87]

If this is released on Blu-ray in it's OAR only, I hope iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, Netflix or all of them get the 16:9 versions because I for one won't be happy with having to watch the show in just it's OAR. Not after realizing how many episodes I love more in 16:9 than 4:3.

[simonynwa]

Im happy with that - disc version OAR, any other releases 16x9. Sounds like a compromise to me.

[Adoken]

Uhm, or the disc version 16:9 and any other version OAR.

No seriously, this topic has been discussed to death. The people wanting OAR blu-rays are saying that we should preserve what Joss Whedon had in mind. Well, if I'm going to pay a LOT of money for this on blu-ray, I'd want it to look the best it can be, and don't care that much about Joss Whedon. And I love Joss Whedon and pretty much every show he ever made.

I really hope they include a way to add the black sides on the blu-ray so both sides in this discussion will be pleased.

[slainery]

If I've always watched S4-7 in widescreen, I've never had any issues with the first seasons in 4:3... what I'm saying is that it's a bit eye-roll worthy when people wake up with some new issues they didn't have before (for the most part) and think they should stop enjoying what they've had for more than a decade now. It's a tad patronising too when they push it up onto others.

Like I said before, I'd like both options if necessary, or at least a release offering 16:9.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by Adoken

Well, if I'm going to pay a LOT of money for this on blu-ray, I'd want it to look the best it can be, and don't care that much about Joss Whedon.

I would say the same thing about the tv show Dark Angel, especially considering all the care that went into the sets. The widescreen looks mighty fine.

[Drewbee87]

Dark Angel is another must have on BD for me. I remember seeing the 16:9 versions on TV when it was on the air and being disappointed that the DVDs were 4:3.

[slainery]

Originally Posted by Drewbee87

Dark Angel is another must have on BD for me. I remember seeing the 16:9 versions on TV when it was on the air and being disappointed that the DVDs were 4:3.

Yeah, they only released them in 16:9 in R2 and R4, I think. However, it's missing most of the special features (including the audio commentaries.)

[Nico Darko]

The aspect ratio debate is going nowhere. Let's just agree that we want the option for both on Blu-Ray.

Now, can we go back to those terrible new dusting effects ? I'm actually hoping they'll start upscaling them with S3. Or that they'll match the original effects, but I doubt it.
This is much worse than the color/brightness issue, because they can't fix it as easily. They spent money and time (what a waste) to make those new effects, and I'm really worried we'll be stuck with them

I think I'd be really okay if they started upscaling them (it might look decent enough for the 35mm seasons, look at Firefly), while recreating the other CGI effects, which I don't have a problem with so far (the portal in 1x10, Moloch's death, the Master's escape... they look pretty good to me). But we know the dusting effect too well, and it's too important to have it changed so radically.

You can e-mail Fox (again) about the issue : http://www.foxstudios.com/request.html