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Old 09-14-2014, 12:41 PM   #1341
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Am I the only one not seeing any of those screenshots ?
It seems yes :/.

The cropping and the DNR... !
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Old 09-14-2014, 01:01 PM   #1342
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Angel:

The worst episode with the cropping.

The Master looking really ugly :


wth is that ? They should have replaces this shot with an other one:


The bite scene where you don't actually see the bite in this version:


Special effect on Angel:
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Old 09-14-2014, 02:16 PM   #1343
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Boom mike at the top (from The Prodigal)!

Back then everybody had CRT TVs. You couldn't see the mike because of the overscan.
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Old 09-14-2014, 02:53 PM   #1344
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Angel:

The worst episode with the cropping.

The Master looking really ugly :


wth is that ? They should have replaces this shot with an other one:
I really want the 4:3 version of the cropped episodes (at least). Without the zoom, we would see less of this kind of "ugly-things".
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Old 09-14-2014, 06:20 PM   #1345
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I don't think 4:3 is the only option for the episodes that are mostly cropped, seeing scenes in the opening credits and "previously on" segments that are opened up that aren't in the actual episode gives me hope that they can be 16:9 without cropping.
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:12 PM   #1346
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By the way, that Oompa Loompa orange shot of Angel's game face is the one I complained about looking like they didn't put DNR on exactly that one shot and it looked bizarre amongst all the other tinted, lightened and DNR'd shots. It's oversharpened to the point where the prosthetic is showing its seam (quite badly around the nose) and his nose is shinier than the matte makeup on the latex prosthetic.

If you look at the exact same shot on the DVD, there is no difference in coloration there between the fade-from-commercial game face, followed by a shot of Buffy and then the shot where Angel's face morphs back.

This is a screw-up.

And it bears repeating... They actually deleted width (not just height) from the original 4:3 image in the creation of the 16:9 version here (they'd done it to both sides of the frame also in The Harvest's bouncer slow-mo shot). They hacked off Angel's arm (while adding more to the other side of the fridge's ice/water dispenser), 1½ cookie jars (making what was not a close-up into one--and cutting Angel's upper face out of shot) and all the space (nearly ¼!) to the left side of her hair in another shot to create yet another extreme close-up of Buffy that chops Angel out of frame. Whoever did the cropping (and the rest of 1x01-1x07) just didn't give a crap and it had nothing to do with intrusions, because they weren't even using the whole width from the 4:3 version.

I also lament the loss of Darla's iconic shot of her spreading her plaid skirt. It's been eliminated entirely from frame. Fanvidders, even the ones who crop to 16:9 themselves, *always* get the shot of that skirt when they use it. That shot is probably the most famous shot of Darla drawing attention to her Catholic schoolgirl look. More proof that the editor just didn't give a crap about what was happening in the images on screen. If fanvidders can get the entire skirt in, then so could that guy who actually has more image to work with. Also, the pink tint has turned her navy blue sweater and plaid skirt almost into black.



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Old 09-14-2014, 07:33 PM   #1347
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I don't think 4:3 is the only option for the episodes that are mostly cropped, seeing scenes in the opening credits and "previously on" segments that are opened up that aren't in the actual episode gives me hope that they can be 16:9 without cropping.
Yes I think we could have a 16:9 version as the following episodes. With no (or little) cropping.
But I think they have created a 16:9 version and a 4:3 version. Will they bother to make a second one in 16:9 ? I'm not sure at all :/.

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I also lament the loss of Darla's iconic shot of her spreading her plaid skirt. It's been eliminated entirely from frame. Fanvidders, even the ones who crop to 16:9 themselves, *always* get the shot of that skirt when they use it. That shot is probably the most famous shot of Darla drawing attention to her Catholic schoolgirl look. More proof that the editor just didn't give a crap about what was happening in the images on screen. If fanvidders can get the entire skirt in, then so could that guy who actually has more image to work with.


Oh cr*p. So much information lost due to this shoddy work... They can't give us this version for the future... This is unacceptable...

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Old 09-14-2014, 08:30 PM   #1348
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Going through "The Harvest", first comparison is a crop + re-frame:

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Old 09-14-2014, 08:35 PM   #1349
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More caps...

Buffy nice shot:


Spiders FX:


Random :


This is REALLY UGLYYY (watercolor much?) :


Alex shirtless :


You should read the newspaper:


Now look at the photo border color :


Do they really have big green cotton trees in Cali ?


Fail when the camera focused on Buffy's dad's back instead of her:


Studio much ?:




FX




Buffy as a vampire:


Sorry It's a lot of caps I know

Feel free to compare with the dvd
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:02 PM   #1350
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More caps...

Buffy nice shot:
[Show spoiler]


Spiders FX:
[Show spoiler]


Random :
[Show spoiler]


This is REALLY UGLYYY (watercolor much?) :
[Show spoiler]


Alex shirtless :
[Show spoiler]


You should read the newspaper:
[Show spoiler]


Now look at the photo border color :
[Show spoiler]


Do they really have big green cotton trees in Cali ?
[Show spoiler]


Fail when the camera focused on Buffy's dad's back instead of her:
[Show spoiler]


Studio much ?:
[Show spoiler]



FX
[Show spoiler]



Buffy as a vampire:
[Show spoiler]


Sorry It's a lot of caps I know

Feel free to compare with the dvd
Already have, Nightmares is opened up(minus the VFX shots) instead of Cropped.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:23 PM   #1351
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I don't know what host you use for those screencaps, but they take forever to load on my connection compared to other images.
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By the way, that Oompa Loompa orange shot of Angel's game face is the one I complained about looking like they didn't put DNR on exactly that one shot and it looked bizarre amongst all the other tinted, lightened and DNR'd shots. It's oversharpened to the point where the prosthetic is showing its seam (quite badly around the nose) and his nose is shinier than the matte makeup on the latex prosthetic.

If you look at the exact same shot on the DVD, there is no difference in coloration there between the fade-from-commercial game face, followed by a shot of Buffy and then the shot where Angel's face morphs back.

This is a screw-up.

And it bears repeating... They actually deleted width (not just height) from the original 4:3 image in the creation of the 16:9 version here (they'd done it to both sides of the frame also in The Harvest's bouncer slow-mo shot). They hacked off Angel's arm (while adding more to the other side of the fridge's ice/water dispenser), 1½ cookie jars (making what was not a close-up into one--and cutting Angel's upper face out of shot) and all the space (nearly ¼!) to the left side of her hair in another shot to create yet another extreme close-up of Buffy that chops Angel out of frame. Whoever did the cropping (and the rest of 1x01-1x07) just didn't give a crap and it had nothing to do with intrusions, because they weren't even using the whole width from the 4:3 version.

I also lament the loss of Darla's iconic shot of her spreading her plaid skirt. It's been eliminated entirely from frame. Fanvidders, even the ones who crop to 16:9 themselves, *always* get the shot of that skirt when they use it. That shot is probably the most famous shot of Darla drawing attention to her Catholic schoolgirl look. More proof that the editor just didn't give a crap about what was happening in the images on screen. If fanvidders can get the entire skirt in, then so could that guy who actually has more image to work with.
Truly painfully sad. It IS an iconic moment. A great character bit. Lost.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:57 PM   #1353
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More caps...

Buffy nice shot:


Spiders FX:


Random :


This is REALLY UGLYYY (watercolor much?) :


Alex shirtless :


You should read the newspaper:


Now look at the photo border color :


Do they really have big green cotton trees in Cali ?


Fail when the camera focused on Buffy's dad's back instead of her:


Studio much ?:




FX




Buffy as a vampire:


Sorry It's a lot of caps I know

Feel free to compare with the dvd
Do not apologize, it's really nice to share screenshots !

So... The Buffy's screenshot is sublime. This is one of the few screenshots that's good. Without compression, it must have a lot of potential.
Colors when Xander is shirtless is better than on the SD version of Pivot. I believe.

Newspapers are a great way to see color problems. This purple outline is... Awful. And has nothing to do there. I really don't understand why we have so much pink ! This can not come from the original negatives ?

The screen capture of Buffy Vamp' is not bad at all.
Some special effects really need to be redone. I hope they will be redone for the Blu-Ray release. Because it is really bad...

I just watched the first two parts of the miniseries "Mildred Pierce" (with Kate Winslet) filmed in 16mm. I thought it was really beautiful. I know there are many years of difference (and financial resources) but... Da*n !
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Oh man, SMG's arm hair is gonna be even more noticeable in HD
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Oh man, SMG's arm hair is gonna be even more noticeable in HD
Yes I noticed too !
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:11 AM   #1356
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I don't know what host you use for those screencaps, but they take forever to load on my connection compared to other images.
Sorry I used tinypic. What should I use ??
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:14 AM   #1357
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Watching the HD files on my 50 inch TV is actually pretty amazing. Yes, there is much wrong with this transfer/remaster, but from a distance on a big TV - it's a lot more watchable than the DVD.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:58 AM   #1358
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Yes I noticed too !
If only they could DNR only her arms
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If only they could DNR only her arms
Nothing wrong with a bit of arm hair
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Going through "Witch" now, here are my first comparisons. Note that I'm only posting captures for scenes that are re-framed/opened up in the PIVOT episodes.







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