Doctor Who: The Collection, Season 2 (William Hartnell Season 2)

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by The Hornets

Most TVs and BD players in the US won’t be able to handle this and will just refuse to play the discs . Therefore you need to ensure the kit you are using can play them.

Actually most players and TVs in the US will play them now -- I don't know the numbers specifically, but for Bluray.com folks I'm guessing at least 75% or higher. It doesn't mean you don't need to be sure first, but odds are pretty good

The main problem was with Sony Standalone BD players and PS3 as well as specific models of some brands release pre-2014. As those have been replaced by newer models, PS4/XBO, or 4K Players the % of incompatible players is now pretty low. Most of the commonly used non Sony's will or have always handled 50Hz either natively or converted to 60Hz.

If you want them to play specifically at 50Hz that's a bit harder to narrow down. Many players and/or TV automatically convert to US standard and don't allow you to stay at 50i

[bradenklune]

Looking forward to seeing The Beatles' only appearance on Doctor Who in HD.

[BreakfastClub211]

Season 2 is one of the few classic seasons I've seen in full, and mostly liked, save for The Web Planet and The Chase, so it was very exciting to see this one coming next.

[jstxanothrxstory]

From the seasons with missing episodes, my personal guess is that Seasons 3-5 will probably be the last to get a Blu-Ray release in the event more missing episodes do turn up, however unlikely it may be.

[Sc0tty]

Series 5 is complete with animations (or will be when Abominable Snowmen comes out). Series 4 only has 2 missing stories. So I would say that series 3 is the only problem year as only half of the 10 stories exist.

[whoser37]

Originally Posted by Sc0tty

Series 5 is complete with animations (or will be when Abominable Snowmen comes out). Series 4 only has 2 missing stories. So I would say that series 3 is the only problem year as only half of the 10 stories exist.

Not quite. Still missing "Wheel in Space" for Season 5 (we only got a cut-down animation of the first episode).

[BikerMarty]

Originally Posted by Sc0tty

Series 5 is complete with animations (or will be when Abominable Snowmen comes out). Series 4 only has 2 missing stories. So I would say that series 3 is the only problem year as only half of the 10 stories exist.

When they release season 4, would hope the team will revisit the recons of the Underwater Menace.
Personally, these had all the appeal of a works end of financial year, slide presentation.

Though, hope the boxset would also include the current ones, for those that enjoyed them.

[StuPod]

Originally Posted by whoser37

Not quite. Still missing "Wheel in Space" for Season 5 (we only got a cut-down animation of the first episode).

BritBox has a telesnap recon of Wheel in Space, they'll presumably use that.

[GaryCouzens]

Originally Posted by whoser37

Not quite. Still missing "Wheel in Space" for Season 5 (we only got a cut-down animation of the first episode).

While it's hardly anyone's idea of a priority story, season 6 is missing five episodes of The Space Pirates, and there are no telesnaps available for it. They can presumably use the existing animations for the two missing episodes of The Invasion.

[whoser37]

Originally Posted by StuPod

BritBox has a telesnap recon of Wheel in Space, they'll presumably use that.

Sure, but the post I was replying to was talking about animations.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by GaryCouzens

While it's hardly anyone's idea of a priority story, season 6 is missing five episodes of The Space Pirates, and there are no telesnaps available for it. They can presumably use the existing animations for the two missing episodes of The Invasion.

I have a feeling The Space Pirates could be a bit like Enemy of the World - a surviving episode that's quite boring in isolation, and a soundtrack that's dull. Yet when Enemy turned up complete, suddenly we can see it was quite a tight little thriller, just ill-served by one episode and the audio only.

[CelestialAgent]

I definitely wonder now Loose Cannon and other recons managed to deal with The Space Pirates considering the lack of telesnaps, and how it compares to just listening to the soundtrack on its own.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

I definitely wonder now Loose Cannon and other recons managed to deal with The Space Pirates considering the lack of telesnaps, and how it compares to just listening to the soundtrack on its own.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but being fan recons they just culled images from all over and photoshopped them, using the script directions as a guide where audio didn't give anything to go on. They got quite good at it as I remember, but I haven't seen one in about 20 years. So you had actors capped from other productions, etc. So that can't be done on official BBC product for legal reasons.

[ag87]

> Although the discs will be region free they play back at the U.K. and European TV speed of 50 frames per second.
>
> Most TVs and BD players in the US won’t be able to handle this and will just refuse to play the discs . Therefore you need to ensure the kit you are using can play them.
>
> This is why there are specific US discs sold on Amazon COM which have been converted and play at the US TV speed of 60 frames per second.

and

> Actually most players and TVs in the US will play them now -- I don't know the numbers specifically, but for Bluray.com folks I'm guessing at least 75% or higher. It doesn't mean you don't need to be sure first, but odds are pretty good
>
> The main problem was with Sony Standalone BD players and PS3 as well as specific models of some brands release pre-2014. As those have been replaced by newer models, PS4/XBO, or 4K Players the % of incompatible players is now pretty low. Most of the commonly used non Sony's will or have always handled 50Hz either natively or converted to 60Hz.
>
> If you want them to play specifically at 50Hz that's a bit harder to narrow down. Many players and/or TV automatically convert to US standard and don't allow you to stay at 50i

Thank you both for your replies, I really appreciate it

My region-free DVD player does work on my TV with all non-US DVD's I've tried (PAL region 2 (U.K.) and region 4 (Australia)) so based on what you have said I hope the same is true with my blu ray player with respect to this TV. That said, the frame per second difference you mentioned seems very likely to explain why my PAL DVD's display a little strangely, something particularly visible when the credits are scrolling and it has slight repeating delays rather than being smooth.

My current blu ray player is a Sony 2015 so if I'm understanding correctly then it sounds like there is a good chance that it will work. I am planning on replacing it with a much newer LG 4k player I got recently, so hopefully that will also work (I'd plug both in but I don't have enough HDMI ports on my TV and haven't been able to find an HDMI hub that looks like it is any good).

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by ag87

> Although the discs will be region free they play back at the U.K. and European TV speed of 50 frames per second.
>
> Most TVs and BD players in the US won’t be able to handle this and will just refuse to play the discs . Therefore you need to ensure the kit you are using can play them.
>
> This is why there are specific US discs sold on Amazon COM which have been converted and play at the US TV speed of 60 frames per second.

and

> Actually most players and TVs in the US will play them now -- I don't know the numbers specifically, but for Bluray.com folks I'm guessing at least 75% or higher. It doesn't mean you don't need to be sure first, but odds are pretty good
>
> The main problem was with Sony Standalone BD players and PS3 as well as specific models of some brands release pre-2014. As those have been replaced by newer models, PS4/XBO, or 4K Players the % of incompatible players is now pretty low. Most of the commonly used non Sony's will or have always handled 50Hz either natively or converted to 60Hz.
>
> If you want them to play specifically at 50Hz that's a bit harder to narrow down. Many players and/or TV automatically convert to US standard and don't allow you to stay at 50i

Thank you both for your replies, I really appreciate it

My region-free DVD player does work on my TV with all non-US DVD's I've tried (PAL region 2 (U.K.) and region 4 (Australia)) so based on what you have said I hope the same is true with my blu ray player with respect to this TV. That said, the frame per second difference you mentioned seems very likely to explain why my PAL DVD's display a little strangely, something particularly visible when the credits are scrolling and it has slight repeating delays rather than being smooth.

My current blu ray player is a Sony 2015 so if I'm understanding correctly then it sounds like there is a good chance that it will work. I am planning on replacing it with a much newer LG 4k player I got recently, so hopefully that will also work (I'd plug both in but I don't have enough HDMI ports on my TV and haven't been able to find an HDMI hub that looks like it is any good).

Any region A Sony standalone BD player would be at best questionable. PS4 and the Sony 4K players seem to be OK. My comment on 2014 era mainly applied to those non Sony players that may not have been compatible in the early years of BDP (Panasonic, Pioneer, Marantz etc). Most of the no-name brand generics were fine since they often were single chassis world platforms

So far I've not heard of any 4K player that isn't OK with 50i Blurays

The Sony 3500/6500/1700/3700/6700 which were later model I don't think were compatible unless they were modded.

[AnnThrope]

Originally Posted by Sc0tty

Series 5 is complete with animations (or will be when Abominable Snowmen comes out). Series 4 only has 2 missing stories. So I would say that series 3 is the only problem year as only half of the 10 stories exist.

A Pedant Writes:

Series 4 has 4 missing stories:

The Smugglers
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Macra Terror

and 1 missing episode from The Tenth Planet
and 2 missing episodes from The Underwater Menace
and 2 missing episodes from The Moonbase
and 4 missing episodes from The Faceless Ones
and 6 missing episodes from The Evil of the Daleks.

Quite a lot missing there.

[AnnThrope]

[quote=Network23;20387676]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

We know. The latest animations have animated everything though despite episodes that survive.

Not that it matters, as even if the 3 existing episodes not being animated there’s a large cast of characters, costumes and locations which is what we’ve been told is too expensive to animate on their budgets.


This just boggles my mind, its "too expensive" to "animate"!! So it LESS expense to hire new actors, actresses, and sets etc and recreate the missing stories???!! So its more expensive to DRAW something on paper and film it. As seen in the Galaxy 4 behind the scenes I think it was ONE guy that did most of the work on one mac. Its bad enough BBC cant even give us a Bluray remaster of Terry Nation's Blakes 7 coming up on its 45th anniversary, and treating it flagship property in Dr. Who like this. Im just baffled.

Blakes 7 doesn't need a blu-ray - the DVDs are perfectly good quality.
In all likelihood if they attempted a blu-ray of it it'd get ballsed up.
Leave well alone I say (and, for the record, I speak as a huge Blakes 7 fan - it's my all-time favourite TV series)

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EDIT: The post I was replying to was written by Network 23, not Oddbox.

[ag87]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Any region A Sony standalone BD player would be at best questionable. PS4 and the Sony 4K players seem to be OK. My comment on 2014 era mainly applied to those non Sony players that may not have been compatible in the early years of BDP (Panasonic, Pioneer, Marantz etc). Most of the no-name brand generics were fine since they often were single chassis world platforms

So far I've not heard of any 4K player that isn't OK with 50i Blurays

The Sony 3500/6500/1700/3700/6700 which were later model I don't think were compatible unless they were modded.

Ok, I think I understand correctly now - thank you

[CouncilSpectre]

Originally Posted by AnnThrope

A Pedant Writes:

Series 4 has 4 missing stories:

The Smugglers
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Macra Terror

and 1 missing episode from The Tenth Planet
and 2 missing episodes from The Underwater Menace
and 2 missing episodes from The Moonbase
and 4 missing episodes from The Faceless Ones
and 6 missing episodes from The Evil of the Daleks.

Quite a lot missing there.

Don’t think Sc0tty’s including episodes that have been animated.

The animations are very hit and miss, but personally I probably prefer them to the reconstructions. It’s just a shame that the animated releases have hit a brick wall so we’re likely to suffer a mish-mash of methods to fill in the gaps in the earlier seasons.

[Kieran Seymour]

Originally Posted by AnnThrope

Blakes 7 doesn't need a blu-ray - the DVDs are perfectly good quality.

Well, you say that....

1. Season 1 originally had a layer change fault on one disc that was so bad they had to issue a replacement disc and it only partially fixed the problem.
2. They accidentally filmised a couple of VT sequences during the Season 1 remastering.
3. There's an encoding fault during a Liberator scene in one episode.
4. And for some reason the colour on the UK release of Season 1 looks completely washed out. If you want it as nature intended you need to get the Dutch release.
5. And most importantly... the film sequences for Season 1 all still exist, so imagine them in lovely HD!

It deserves a second chance here in the UK. But preferably without the involvement of the Red Dwarf/Day of the Triffids lot.