Doctor Who: The Collection Season 12 • Tom Baker Season 1 - Limited Edition

[wafgunn]

Folks i just purchased the UK copy complete with limited edition packaging off one of New Zealand's big websites. They are definitely still out there, so don't bother paying 400 pounds.
:3

[hariseldon]

Let's see -- 1st post claiming a spectacular deal on an unnamed website
Nothing suspicious here at all

[Si Parallel Universe]

Originally Posted by wafgunn

Folks i just purchased the UK copy complete with limited edition packaging off one of New Zealand's big websites. They are definitely still out there, so don't bother paying 400 pounds.
:3

Feel free to tell us where then because every NZ and Aus Outlet sold out ages ago

[hariseldon]

If you are going to order the US set anyway, I'd certainly wait for the price to drop back to $20-25USD instead of the current 50-60

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by cfx

Totally wrong, but there's no point in explaining it to you.

So the USA set has slowdown? Can someone explain what the issue is here?

[-shadow-]

It's not slowdown, it uses a different refresh rate, which in some way will cause some artifacts. I've heard good things of this one, unlike the first two seasons of Torchwood which have a really bad ghosting/blending issue, but it'll still be there in some way. I really prefer a native presentation, it won't detract my enjoyment, but still.

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by cfx

No the speed is correct AFAIK and I think it looks good, but there is no perfect way to convert 50fps to 60fps without some kind of compromise. There has to be some kind of frame blending, interpolation, frame duplication (leading to stuttering)...something.

The purist view would be to want the 50Hz version, and virgiltracy's claim that there is no difference is wrong, and I deduced explaining anything to him would fall on deaf ears so I didn't bother.

Thought that more likely the case, after all we're essentially talking converting 25 frames/50 fields to 30fps/60 fields (apologies if I've got that slightly wrong as I'm think in PAL/NTSC terms)

[scotttracey]

Originally Posted by cfx

No the speed is correct AFAIK and I think it looks good, but there is no perfect way to convert 50fps to 60fps without some kind of compromise. There has to be some kind of frame blending, interpolation, frame duplication (leading to stuttering)...something.

Maybe you know better than the Restoration Team then.
The 50hz / 60hz matter was mentioned to them several times long before the title was released and they claimed that because the episodes were converted into HD first the usual 50hz to 60hz issues would not be evident

[oddbox83]

Because they were converted to HD first, the US conversion benefits from the full PAL resolution.

The frame rate still needs to be converted. When done well (and I believe these are) they can look excellent, but there are still artefacts even if modern motion estimation eliminates stuttering and ugly frame blends.

[scotttracey]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Because they were converted to HD first, the US conversion benefits from the full PAL resolution.

The frame rate still needs to be converted. When done well (and I believe these are) they can look excellent, but there are still artefacts even if modern motion estimation eliminates stuttering and ugly frame blends.

So "most" 50hz to 60hz issues won't be evident.

[StuPod]

I pre-ordered this when it was first announced but ended up cancelling it thinking "that's a little too expensive right now, I'll pick it up later"

been kicking myself ever since
but I have made sure to keep up with every other Collection boxset since then

[pnaschy]

Has anybody seen a final price of these on Ebay? I saw one yesterday and it was at £310 pounds with a few hours to go, this was for a used item. Crazy money!!

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by pnaschy

Has anybody seen a final price of these on Ebay? I saw one yesterday and it was at £310 pounds with a few hours to go, this was for a used item. Crazy money!!

I'll do one better, I saw one go for £670 just a few days ago. I wonder if the buyer actually paid at that price.

[oddbox83]

More money than sense. I can live with the US version rather than pay silly prices!

[2099net]

I wonder if the British newspapers would be interested in this story. I mean, much as I hate the BBC bashing and are loath to encourage it, maybe BBCStudios deserves it this time.

I mean the story has three key hooks papers will like:

1. Not letting people buy the set(s) means the BBC is turning down money. Not likely to look good with the over 75's licence issue still alive.

2. It's denying children the ability to buy their favourite programme

3. The ridiculous prices on eBay. Papers love things going up in value.

If one or two papers pick this up and ask BBCStudios for answers, we may be closer to a re-release.

And again, yes I know BBCStudios (previously BBCWW) are not the BBC as such, but its commercial arm, but the papers won't care.

[Sonic Screwdriver]

Originally Posted by 2099net

I wonder if the British newspapers would be interested in this story. I mean, much as I hate the BBC bashing and are loath to encourage it, maybe BBCStudios deserves it this time.

I mean the story has three key hooks papers will like:

1. Not letting people buy the set(s) means the BBC is turning down money. Not likely to look good with the over 75's licence issue still alive.

2. It's denying children the ability to buy their favourite programme

3. The ridiculous prices on eBay. Papers love things going up in value.

If one or two papers pick this up and ask BBCStudios for answers, we may be closer to a re-release.

And again, yes I know BBCStudios (previously BBCWW) are not the BBC as such, but its commercial arm, but the papers won't care.

Give The Daily Mail a call. Don't they have a BBC Bashing pull out supplement each day?

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by 2099net

I wonder if the British newspapers would be interested in this story. I mean, much as I hate the BBC bashing and are loath to encourage it, maybe BBCStudios deserves it this time.

I mean the story has three key hooks papers will like:

1. Not letting people buy the set(s) means the BBC is turning down money. Not likely to look good with the over 75's licence issue still alive.

2. It's denying children the ability to buy their favourite programme

3. The ridiculous prices on eBay. Papers love things going up in value.

If one or two papers pick this up and ask BBCStudios for answers, we may be closer to a re-release.

And again, yes I know BBCStudios (previously BBCWW) are not the BBC as such, but its commercial arm, but the papers won't care.

I doubt the press would be interested, even those that are actively anti-BBC (ie most newspapers) as all the story amounts to is

1. Company under estimates demand for product.

2. Being the incompetent public funded dinosaur BBC they either don't care...

3. ...or is it all part of their plan to inflate demand for the first editions?

4. Morons pay stupid money buying from third party sellers.

Hardly earth shattering.

Originally Posted by Sonic Screwdriver

Give The Daily Mail a call. Don't they have a BBC Bashing pull out supplement each day?

Maybe I should start reading the Daily Mail

[peskdale]

Originally Posted by 2099net

2. It's denying children the ability to buy their favourite programme

I know the saying goes that we’re all children at heart, but this is a real stretch.

[2099net]

Originally Posted by Fnord Prefect

3. ...or is it all part of their plan to inflate demand for the first editions?

See, I can understand this. It must be infuriating for a company to see prices of discs drop so rapidly. However, I think the BBC don't quite understand their target audience. There's enough of the "special limited" packaging out now for fans to still have inflated demand for the "limited" sets as they like their shelves to be orderly and uniform. I mean, the BBC did reversible DVD covers where they just changed one logo on the spine!

Releasing Series 12 10-12 months after its initial release in a clam-shell package isn't going to stop demand for the new sets. But it will enable those sworn off collecting because the first set is out of their reach from doing so when they know that and the other sets will be re-released. (and anecdotally I know of two such people).

[2-J]

I think they are betting that they will make more money overall / ensure more future seasons' viability, by not reissuing past seasons (at least until all the seasons are out, so in 5 years' time or so).