Pioneer Kuro plasmas better than 4k tv's?

[Robert Zohn]

It's true that Sony's A9G has moderately better near black detail, slightly better up-conversion of low resolution video, like cable content and a littler smoother motion resolution.

However, we just Beta tested the next CX/GX firmware update and it very nicely improves the near black detail and raised blacks issue.

Also after calibration we can make LG's CX/GX perform as well as Sony's A9G/A8H.

Four distinct advantages of Sony's A9G Master Series OLED TV are:

- Better build quality, all metal

- Better built-in audio system and if you have an external audio system you can use the TV's audio as the center channel speaker.

- For Master Series TVs Sony does a Q/C, and sets the White Point and does a gamma and CMS calibration at the factory. It's not the same as an individual professional calibration.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

It's true that Sony's A9G has moderately better near black detail, slightly better up-conversion of low resolution video, like cable content and a littler smoother motion resolution.

However, we just Beta tested the next CX/GX firmware update and it very nicely improves the near black detail and raised blacks issue.

Also after calibration we can make LG's CX/GX perform as well as Sony's A9G/A8H.

Four distinct advantages of Sony's A9G Master Series OLED TV are:

- Better build quality, all metal

- Better built-in audio system and if you have an external audio system you can use the TV's audio as the center channel speaker.

- For Master Series TVs Sony does a Q/C, and sets the White Point and does a gamma and CMS calibration at the factory. It's not the same as an individual professional calibration.

Are there any Panasonic OLED's that you think would compare to the Sony A9G?

[wesslan]

Try HZ2000 Twm1988 Lovely set and I would say it's a step higher even.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Try HZ2000 Twm1988 Lovely set and I would say it's a step higher even.

Wow, that's a beast!! I will try to view that one too next time I'm out,... haven't seriously looked at any new displays in 10 months or so, most high-end AV shops around here want you to book an appointment and not just wander in anymore with the restrictions and such, so I don't want to waste their time with just being a lookie-loo.

Up until now I haven't seen a display yet that I would trade my VT25 for, but perhaps that SONY or Panasonic will start to convince me

[Bluyoda]

As much as I used to love my Pioneer Kuro plasma, my LG C965 OLED is worlds better. It's only natural.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

As much as I used to love my Pioneer Kuro plasma, my LG C965 OLED is worlds better. It's only natural.

When you replace your old Plasma with a brand new OLED, it's only natural that you'll enjoy the unnatural motion presentation it delivers, lol

[danny24]

I don't think Plasma TV's are better than 4K OLED's but definitely better than 1080p/4K LCD/LED sets except for QLED. The Kuro Pioneer Plasma's were some of the best along with Panasonic Plasma's. If you can ever get a Kuro cheap and own an LCD or LED TV do it. With OLED/QLED out though Plasma's are not worth dropping more than $500 on anymore.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by danny24

I don't think Plasma TV's are better than 4K OLED's but definitely better than 1080p/4K LCD/LED sets except for QLED. The Kuro Pioneer Plasma's were some of the best along with Panasonic Plasma's. If you can ever get a Kuro cheap and own an LCD or LED TV do it. With OLED/QLED out though Plasma's are not worth dropping more than $500 on anymore.

I recently picked up a 60" VT60, it's genuinely the nicest, most natural looking picture I've ever seen... with a high quality Blu-ray movie, it's more like an open window than a tv screen.

Even a new $5000 OLED with HDR and 4K resolution, it will only be brighter and crisper,... while the plasma still looks more natural and still easily has the better motion presentation. There's a depth to the image that a good plasma produces, that any other display can't seem to match

OLED's are good if you have a super bright room, and you like overly crisp artificial detail, and messed up motion issues.

[HDTV1080P]

Pioneer Elite Signature series plasmas from the year 2008 offered the best RGB color with motion quality. Now the only thing that is better about a plasma is the motion quality. In the year 2023 Samsung just introduced the absolute best OLED screen for picture quality that uses pure RGB with bright colors and absolute deep blacks. Back in the year 2008 the 60-inch Pioneer Elite PRO-141FD had a list price of $7,000 + $400 for the stand. The new 77 inch Samsung S95C 4K OLED screen has a list price of only $4,500. So even though there is inflation in electronics over the last several years, one can purchase a better quality display that is bigger at a cheaper price since improvements in technology has brought down prices in the last 15 years. Quantum dot OLED technology is new and only time will tell how reliable the technology is when compared to a plasma screen.

The following are select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine article

“The 2023 Samsung S95C offers unparalleled picture quality, owing to quantum dot OLED technology. Its pure RGB emissive pixels enable the delivery of remarkable brightness, contrast, and color, providing a viewing experience that truly honors the source material.”

“QD OLED is indeed true RGB OLED. Coupled with viewing angles that exhibit virtually no change in fidelity—even at extreme off-axis positions—this TV delivers artistic intent directly to your retinas, pure and unadulterated.”

“Considering that it is unequivocally one of the finest TVs ever produced by any manufacturer, the 77-inch version is an impressive TV. But the one thing I would wish for is an even larger screen option! Still, the Samsung S95C is an OLED masterpiece and a Sound & Vision Top Pick.”

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-qd-oled-hands

[AmishParadise]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Pioneer Elite Signature series plasmas from the year 2008 offered the best RGB color with motion quality. Now the only thing that is better about a plasma is the motion quality.

And that is game, set, match as far as I'm concerned. They don't call them motion pictures for nothing. And it's not just the motion handling. The picture has a much more natural look to it hands down and as Twm1988 pointed out, a depth to the image that so-called modern displays can't seem to match. Again, game, set, match. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times I've had a guest over that owns some current high-end 4k display and they leave disappointed with their purchase after seeing my 720p and 1080p plasma displays. It's always the same. They're floored by the motion handling and the natural look and depth of the image.

[Deadend45]

If a strong purple tint is your idea of 'quality' color. lol

[Bluyoda]

My C9 65inch OLED is way better than my LX5080 Kuro. No contest.

[DavePS3]

There is literally no content or source that looks better on my 2010 plasma. New panels are brighter, better depth and detail in the blacks, just as warm, more detailed, punchier. I can change color temp as well as FPS on my new panel. The plasma blows in comparison. Try a game system on the two... jesus!!!