Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Readers may want to checkout the new thread below: Tom Scott on video compression and color space. In the first one he does a good job of showing why bit rates do matter. IMO, the production of those videos is quite good.

Those were two excellent, and succinct, videos that anyone should be able to follow.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Agreed. OT. Have you tried to use the Oppo (203 or 205) to split the video from audio when using the HDMI Input? I tried onetime without success no matter what settings I used.

It will be interesting to see what develops.

Using HDMI IN BYPASS" mode for Dolby Vision passthrough via HDMI In from Apple TV 4K output. I have the Oppo 203 HDMI 1 output going to display, and the HDMI 2 output going to my Denon AVR. So yes always use it in that manner. It just doesn't support Dolby MAT 2.0 so no Dolby Atmos, just multi-ch PCM , but then my AVR isn't capable.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

but then my AVR isn't capable.

And what are you waiting for? Just joking, hope someday you can join the immersive crowd.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

And what are you waiting for? Just joking, hope someday you can join the immersive crowd.

There’s a even more elitist group than the immersive crowd. It’s the animated short or feature in VR immersive crowd.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

And what are you waiting for? Just joking, hope someday you can join the immersive crowd.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There’s a even more elitist group than the immersive crowd. It’s the animated short or feature in VR immersive crowd.

Your both half right. Immersion into true virtual reality is a perception of being physically present in a non-physical world from both video/audio surrounding the user. However both VR and Dolby Atmos aren't truly surrounding you are they? You can't seamlessly look around you in VR, neither does sound come from beneath you in Dolby Atmos.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Your both half right. Immersion into true virtual reality is a perception of being physically present in a non-physical world from both video/audio surrounding the user. However both VR and Dolby Atmos aren't truly surrounding you are they? You can't seamlessly look around you in VR, neither does sound come from beneath you in Dolby Atmos.

You don't wanna smell, , HEAR the sounds that come from beneath us.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You don't wanna smell, , HEAR the sounds that come beneath us.

Not worried we all wear masks now, including those VR types.

[JohnAV]

YouTubers are upscaling the past to 4K. Historians want them to stop - Wired 10/2/2020

But these vivid videos and images haven’t wowed everyone. Digital upscalers and the millions who’ve watched their work on YouTube say they’re making the past relatable for viewers in 2020, but for some historians of art and image-making, modernising century-old archives brings a host of problems. Even adding colour to black and white photographs is hotly contested.

“The problem with colourisation is it leads people to just think about photographs as a kind of uncomplicated window onto the past, and that's not what photographs are,” says Emily Mark-FitzGerald, Associate Professor at University College Dublin’s School of Art History and Cultural Policy.

Peck says Neural Love makes clear to clients the huge difference the company sees between “the restoration aspect and the enhancement aspect”. They see the removal of scratches, noise, dust or other imperfections picked up during processing as a less ethically fraught process to upscaling and colourising. “You're really returning the film to its original state,” she says.

That’s not a view many academics hold, however. Luke McKernan, lead curator of news and moving images at the British Library, was particularly scathing about Peter Jackson’s 2018 World War One documentary They Shall Not Grow Old, which upscaled and colourised footage from the Western Front. Making the footage look more modern, he argued, undermined it. “It is a nonsense,” he wrote. “Colourisation does not bring us closer to the past; it increases the gap between now and then. It does not enable immediacy; it creates difference.”

For Mark-FitzGerald and other historians of photography tools like DeOldify and Neural Love might make pictures look amazing, but they risk obscuring the past rather than illuminating it. “Even as a photo historian, I look at them and think, oh, wow, that's quite an arresting image,” she says. “But always then my next impulse is to say, 'Well, why am I having that response? And what is the person who's made this intervention on the restoration actually doing? What information has this person added? What have they taken away?”

DeOldify and Neural Love, though, see their tools as a means of bridging the gap of understanding opened up by a century of technological advancement. Their tech is a means of making jerky, jittery images seem suddenly modern, but for historians, the distance between now and then is the whole point. “It’s the effort that creates the understanding,” McKernan writes. “Without that there is no true sympathy, only false sentiment. Film that looks like it was shot last week belongs only to last week.”

Talk about people stuck in the ways things were in the past!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Your both half right. Immersion into true virtual reality is a perception of being physically present in a non-physical world from both video/audio surrounding the user. However both VR and Dolby Atmos aren't truly surrounding you are they? You can't seamlessly look around you in VR, neither does sound come from beneath you in Dolby Atmos.

Why cant you seamlessly look around you in VR? I can look to my left, to my right, above me, behind me?

[Steedeel]

Cineworld closing again, what a crappy year.

[sapiendut]

When there is no new movies, we can’t expect much from cinema houses.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Those were two excellent, and succinct, videos that anyone should be able to follow.

yeah excellence and succinctness where the issues before

The videos where good, but some people will never accept reality no matter how well it is presented to them. Since what they believe is not based on reality but what they chose to believe because it suits their a priory choice.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

When there is no new movies, we can’t expect much from cinema houses.

I was hoping to squeeze in St Maud first.

[Vilya]

I cut my own hair for the second time today; I'm getting better at it. I just knew that you all would want to know.

[Lee A Stewart]

Here's what we use. Walmart: $25

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

[Show spoiler]

Here's what we use. Walmart: $25

I have the same brand set and it looks almost identical, except that the accessories are all black and the cutter, a hefty thing, is black and chrome. It was a gift that I received back in 2011, but I never used it until this year; the Year of the Plague. It works great so far. Saves a little money, too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have the same brand set and it looks almost identical, except that the accessories are all black and the cutter, a hefty thing, is black and chrome. It was a gift that I received back in 2011, but I never used it until this year; the Year of the Plague. It works great so far. Saves a little money, too.

It’s not like you to store things for later.

[Steedeel]

Was shocked to read 3 in every 4 TVs purchased in the USA are under $400!

I could understand $400-$700 being the most popular but that’s shocking. TVs over $1000 represent just 4%. the lowest for many years. Some of that will be the current climate but it still shocked me.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Was shocked to read 3 in every 4 TVs purchased in the USA are under $400!

I could understand $400-$700 being the most popular but that’s shocking. TVs over $1000 represent just 4%. the lowest for many years. Some of that will be the current climate but it still shocked me.

Why are you shocked? Joe Public puts price right after convivence in his hierarchy of needs. Quality is down towards the bottom.

Here's another statistic: In 2019 the average sized sold TV was 47". This year it will be 50".

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why are you shocked? Joe Public puts price right after convivence in his hierarchy of needs. Quality is down towards the bottom.

Here's another statistic: In 2019 the average sized sold TV was 47". This year it will be 50".

I wasn’t expecting it to be that low. I knew it would be low but blimey.