Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Is OBB just for the BBC? I don't see anything related to ATSC 3.0 except OBS: Object Based Sound: Dolby Atmos

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Is OBB just for the BBC? I don't see anything related to ATSC 3.0 except OBS: Object Based Sound: Dolby Atmos

It’s being developed by the BBC in conjunction with EU organisations. It can be applied to all services though. It’s just a case of who has the most clout. I dare say Netflix and Disney would get onboard pretty quick.

The audio side of OBB is already at an advanced stage and is being used by BT (our AT&T equivalent I guess) for Dolby Atmos.

It’s the video side that concerns me, owing to its potential to offer viewers their own edited content subject to the time they have available. It sounds like a pretty negative tool in regards to film.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s being developed by the BBC in conjunction with EU organisations. It can be applied to all services though. It’s just a case of who has the most clout. I dare say Netflix and Disney would get onboard pretty quick.

Why would they embrace it? They spend billions of dollars to create their content and then allow consumers to compress their artistic work into a short amount of time: A 2 hour movie into 30 minutes. Instead of watching a 2 hour movie, they are watching a 30 minute trailer. And that sounds good to them? How will they make money off of such a change?

The audio side of OBB is already at an advanced stage and is being used by BT (our AT&T equivalent I guess) for Dolby Atmos.

It’s the video side that concerns me, owing to its potential to offer viewers their own edited content subject to the time they have available. It sounds like a pretty negative tool in regards to film.

Not everything that is popular in the UK/EU makes it to the US. You guys still drive on the wrong side of the road. And it's meters this and kilometers that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why would they embrace it? They spend billions of dollars to create their content and then allow consumers to compress their artistic work into a short amount of time: A 2 hour movie into 30 minutes. Instead of watching a 2 hour movie, they are watching a 30 minute trailer. And that sounds good to them? How will they make money off of such a change?



Not everything that is popular in the UK/EU makes it to the US. You guys still drive on the wrong side of the road. And it's meters this and kilometers that.

Moving media to the cloud through a IP structure is global, not limited to one country.

I agree with you about the first point. However, this technology does put the power into consumers hands. They are essentially becoming editors.

They would still release those 2 hour movies, but several years down the line, the industry will have access to the data from each viewer and maybe decide 2 hour films are simply not worth it because most of the population are editing the length.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No they don’t. They can do what they like. They don’t need to become anything. You are sounding like a Vegan mate!

Sure they do. If they live in filth or are out of space they most definitely need to scale it back a bit. When your home becomes a firetrap, that's both a safety risk and most likely disgusting.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Moving media to the cloud through a IP structure is global, not limited to one country.

I agree with you about the first point. However, this technology does put the power into consumers hands. They are essentially becoming editors.

They would still release those 2 hour movies, but several years down the line, the industry will have access to the data from each viewer and maybe decide 2 hour films are simply not worth it because most of the population are editing the length.

I don't know. It's like why bother to create 8K content when more and more people are watching movies on their Smart Phone, Tablet and PC.

I understand the never ending quest by media companies for consumer data. Would studios really make 1 hour movies if the data shows that's what consumers are watching? Case of the tail waging the dog IMO.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know. It's like why bother to create 8K content when more and more people are watching movies on their Smart Phone, Tablet and PC.

I understand the never ending quest by media companies for consumer data. Would studios really make 1 hour movies if the data shows that's what consumers are watching? Case of the tail waging the dog IMO.

It’s a concern of mine for sure. Hopefully not. Hopefully there are enough of us left who love long form content and aren’t tempted to use that slider. Guess we will find out within the next ten years maybe?

I’m genuinely amazed more people are not concerned about this development, I really am.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Sure they do. If they live in filth or are out of space they most definitely need to scale it back a bit. When your home becomes a firetrap, that's both a safety risk and most likely disgusting.

Yeah, but that’s extreme hoarders. Hoarders can just be people who have too much clutter.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, but that’s extreme hoarders. Hoarders can just be people who have too much clutter.

And mental illness. Of course, it's extreme cases. That's what I was getting at. Believe me, I'm no hardcore minimalist, but have had to make sacrifices here and there over the last couple of years. Space is valuable, it's a new commodity of sorts in the grand scheme of things.

[cheez avenger]

Wanted to chime in and say that the 4K disc of Vigilante from Blue Underground is a stellar release. Not only does the film rock, but the DV/HDR10/Atmos specs kick major ass! One of the best Blue Underground releases to date, IMO.

[Dollar Colonel]

I'm coming to this thread in hopes of discussions about the physical media industry, after pages of posts reminiscing about video stores were deleted from a sale thread.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

I'm coming to this thread in hopes of discussions about the physical media industry, after pages of posts reminiscing about video stores were deleted from a sale thread.

Discuss.

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Those are Japanese releases. Japan likes to experiment. Remember MUSE-LD? First HD on disc sold to the public. 12 years before BD/HD DVD.

Except Sentai Filmworks, and Discotek aren't Japanese companies!!! They're American companies, and those SD-BD release aren't Japanese release, they're American releases. Those SD BD hasn't gotten Japanese release. I mean do you not watch any anime at all. I mean look at this:

Combattler V SD-BD (American, not Japanese SD-BD. There's no Japanese SD BD, just American only)

Armored Trooper Votom SD-BD (Again, American SD-BD release, not Japanese release. There's no Japanese SD-BD release)

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

I'm coming to this thread in hopes of discussions about the physical media industry, after pages of posts reminiscing about video stores were deleted from a sale thread.

I was a manager for Blockbuster up until 2011 just before they went out of business so I miss video stores a lot. There was a vibe you just don't get with streaming or kiosks. It was fun discussing movies with customers and providing recommendations. You built a relationship with the regulars and could expose one another to movies that might otherwise have gone unwatched.

I still generally rent discs from Redbox if I rent anything. It's cheaper than renting a streaming title and the quality is better. I just wish there was still mom and pop video store near me. I would definitely frequent it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I was a manager for Blockbuster up until 2011 just before they went out of business so I miss video stores a lot. There was a vibe you just don't get with streaming or kiosks. It was fun discussing movies with customers and providing recommendations. You built a relationship with the regulars and could expose one another to movies that might otherwise have gone unwatched.

I still generally rent discs from Redbox if I rent anything. It's cheaper than renting a streaming title and the quality is better. I just wish there was still mom and pop video store near me. I would definitely frequent it.

True, and even before Blockbuster, my warmest memories are of my local store that was a general goods store that converted its back section into a VHS store. It was some size and my introduction to movies at home.

My Grand father was a projectionist so I was surrounded by film from a very young age. Couldn’t cope without them.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I was a manager for Blockbuster up until 2011 just before they went out of business so I miss video stores a lot.

Was it company owned or franchised?

The one (BB) close to us was franchised and would you believe they would not rent DVD's while Hollywood Video, Kroger Grocery and local mom and pop did rent DVD's. They finally did start but it was quite some time after the others. Then in 2006 we were introduced to Netflix disc by mail and have been with them since then. Really convenient, large selection and no late fees!!! Too bad that service is US only.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

True, and even before Blockbuster, my warmest memories are of my local store that was a general goods store that converted its back section into a VHS store. It was some size and my introduction to movies at home.

I also have fond memories of going into my local video store back in the VHS days - there were quite a few of them scattered around in the small town I lived in on the outskirts of Manchester in the 80's and 90's. Where I live now, shortly after DVD's were available, the village goods store had a small selection of discs available to rent - they didn't sell any, you could only rent them. However they always managed to get hold of the latest releases. Sadly, that's all finished now.....the store is still there, but no DVD's. In its place they now have a Post Office.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I also have fond memories of going into my local video store back in the VHS days - there were quite a few of them scattered around in the small town I lived in on the outskirts of Manchester in the 80's and 90's. Where I live now, shortly after DVD's were available, the village goods store had a small selection of discs available to rent - they didn't sell any, you could only rent them. However they always managed to get hold of the latest releases. Sadly, that's all finished now.....the store is still there, but no DVD's. In its place they now have a Post Office.

I really miss it, although everything is magical when you are a kid I suppose.

[gotmule]

I was a Blockbuster customer in Maryland, but when I moved to Minnesota, they had a good size local chain called Video Update that rented Laserdiscs, so I jumped ship for the 4 yrs I lived in the twin cities. I became a Netflix customer when they started up, as I remembered getting a 3 month free coupon in a Monster cable package. I still am with Netflix (like Wendell) and have no plans on leaving any time soon. We had a Family Video about 10 minutes away here in St Louis, but they closed up last year as the chain closed about half of its stores due to COVID.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I really miss it, although everything is magical when you are a kid I suppose.

I started my first job in 1985 at a photographic store just a month before I turned 19 and was there for about 4 years. The pay wasn't great, but any spare cash I had left usually went on either renting videos or buying them when VHS titles began to appear on sell-through in the shops. Very happy years they were.