Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey guys don't get your shorts all in a bind, all of us love Movies and TV Shows in our own way. You don't have to be smug about it, just because you think you have a High End HT.

1) Like you want to point out there is always better and newer gear, so I don'ty think anyone has anything to be smug about but honestly I have seen people excited and happy with their gear set-up but have not seen anyone vbe smug because I think we all realize not everything is perfect

2) I work real hard and smart for my money, If you don't feel you have enough work harder and smarter don't begrudge it.

3) Maybe you have the exceptional case of trust fund babies that are left with more money then they can ever spend but for everyone else (and I think everyone here) It is always about choices in life. You like to travel, and that is OK but for me I would rathe take that money that I would spend on a week of escaping my life and make the other 51 weeks better by investing into my HT and home (this year it is my back yard not HT but does not matter). I could have used the money I spent on dbox seats on a fancy new car but for me my home entertainment is more important.

4) no one used their HT as a reason that what you said was complete nonsense

Here is Heath from Cereal at Midnight talking about Out of Print Movies. He is a Physical Collector and says not to worry, but brings up some good points about Studios and making Discs. He also says nothing goes away if it's stored Digital. It will come back in some form if the demand is there!

Most things goin and and out of print. The term originate with Books back in the day when there were no other options. There was a time when Disney would make films available and then advertise " it will go back in the vault on date X" and force retailers to send back copies and then some years later pull the same scheme again with the same film.

The truth is the same happens with digital streaming https://help.netflix.com/en/node/41298
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainm...x-movies-shows
isn't that the Netflix equivalent of OOP

and yes maybe a few months/years later that content might make it back on Netflix but the same is true with physical media for example since we talked about Disney and since it is the most extreme form of OOP

let's take Disneys snow white as an example


https://movies.fandom.com/wiki/Snow_...rfs/Home_media

first time in 94 then OOP and in the vault then again in 2001 and back to OOP/Vault, then 2009 and back to OOP/Vault, then 2016/2017 and back to OOP/Vault where during the time it was OOP the only way top get it was garage sales and stuff.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

isn't that the Netflix equivalent of OOP.

No, anything leaving a streaming provider may or may not be available again. An OOP disc will not effect those who already own the title. Then you have eBay and other used disc outlets that could be a source of OOP titles.

I have a few D-Theater tape titles and several DVD titles that have not made it to BD or streaming.

Here's hopping they do a good job with the UHD BD of Cat People and the BD of Last of the Dog Men. Last night watched the new BD of The Abominable Dr. Phibes and it was quite good.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, anything leaving a streaming provider may or may not be available again. An OOP disc will not effect those who already own the title. Then you have eBay and other used disc outlets that could be a source of OOP titles.

true plus you might be able to buy second hand a film that is OOP on physical media, something that can't happen when a film disappears from streaming, if it is no longer there it is no longer there. I meant from the point of view that Physical or virtual content keeps on going in and out of print. It depends on the content and if the studio thinks it can make some cash from it.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

true plus you might be able to buy second hand a film that is OOP on physical media, something that can't happen when a film disappears from streaming, if it is no longer there it is no longer there. I meant from the point of view that Physical or virtual content keeps on going in and out of print. It depends on the content and if the studio thinks it can make some cash from it.

About a month ago I bought two out of print titles, Blue Ruin and Take Shelter, used from V Stock. I rented these back in the day and really enjoyed them, as both are effective slow burns, and I appreciate any movie done well where you are trying to figure out if someone is crazy or not (Take Shelter). I found them online for $10 each and paid a couple of bucks to have them shipped from stores out of state. I know it can be a gamble to buy used, but these showed up in perfect condition. On eBay, these combined titles would have set me back $90 for used copies, so I feel like I hit the jackpot with them.

[PenguinInfinity]

When a digital title is delisted it is unavailable to buy and in some cases unavailable to watch for the people who have already bought it.

When a physical title goes out of print it is neither unavailable to buy nor unavailable to watch. It's just not available at as many stores and might be more expensive.

This is the one and only reason why physical media is always superior to streaming.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When a digital title is delisted it is unavailable to buy and in some cases unavailable to watch for the people who have already bought it.

When a physical title goes out of print it is neither unavailable to buy nor unavailable to watch. It's just not available at as many stores and might be more expensive.

This is the one and only reason why physical media is always superior to streaming.

Each streaming service offers thousands of hours of content viewing. For a cost around $15 a month or less. I don't see how one particular title compares to that. You are talking about a single movie versus hundreds of movies for less money.

Don't forget the AVOD streaming services like Pluto and Tubi - no cost to you - they are free.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Each streaming service offers thousands of hours of content viewing. For a cost around $15 a month or less. I don't see how one particular title compares to that. You are talking about a single movie versus hundreds of movies for less money.

Don't forget the AVOD streaming services like Pluto and Tubi - no cost to you - they are free.

Some people want to watch what they want to watch while others like to "see what's on."

Having a lot to chose from is good but doesn't mean they have what you want.

Streaming and even the lowest of all media options- ad based streaming like pluto and tubi- can be good for finding new things.

I used Kanopy to watch The Wolf Hour which is something I never heard of before and something I won't want to watch again. It was free and I like to watch things I never heard of from time to time. If I had enjoyed it, I would be looking for the disc to add to the collection.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Each streaming service offers thousands of hours of content viewing. For a cost around $15 a month or less. I don't see how one particular title compares to that. You are talking about a single movie versus hundreds of movies for less money.

Don't forget the AVOD streaming services like Pluto and Tubi - no cost to you - they are free.

Ads don’t belong in a HT.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When a digital title is delisted it is unavailable to buy and in some cases unavailable to watch for the people who have already bought it.

When a physical title goes out of print it is neither unavailable to buy nor unavailable to watch. It's just not available at as many stores and might be more expensive.

This is the one and only reason why physical media is always superior to streaming.

Not the only reason to be fair.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ads don’t belong in a HT.

The only ads I typically see in the theater are during the SuperBowl. I don't even mute those if I have guests.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ads don’t belong in a HT.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Yeah, it’s a forum.

[Wendell R. Breland]

IMHO, the layman will never relate to or understand people with larger home theaters that includes larger screens and sound systems. They can see a picture and hear the sound from their TV so see no need for anything more.

To them a single $20 disc does not compute because for that same amount they can get a months worth of content from one or more providers. Nothing new here, heard those same agreements in the 80's when we were paying $25 to $50 for a single LD title (not inflation adjusted).

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Each streaming service offers thousands of hours of content viewing. For a cost around $15 a month or less. I don't see how one particular title compares to that. You are talking about a single movie versus hundreds of movies for less money.

Don't forget the AVOD streaming services like Pluto and Tubi - no cost to you - they are free.

agree and honestly it bugs me too when someone pretends the streaming service should keep and always make available content people will want to continue to watch. But

First of all Penguin is talking about digital purchases not subscription rentals

second this all started with

Originally Posted by alchav21

talking about Out of Print Movies. He is a Physical Collector and says not to worry, but brings up some good points about Studios and making Discs. He also says nothing goes away if it's stored Digital. It will come back in some form if the demand is there!

personally I did not feel that the guy brought up any good points, at least the part I listened too, the first few minutes was him begging for money and why he brought up the topic but when he started on "facts" most were wrong. But what the guy said is not that important since like Alchev said the guy does not see a reason to worry and Alchev wants to add his own anti-disk fearmongering.

I focused on the idea that physical media is permanent while virtual is not. Others focused more on what it personally means (i.e. while it is not available new a physical copy means it will always be available to you and you might be able to buy it second hand, if a title is no longer available virtualy you can't buy/stream it....)

As for your comment about just watch anything else doesn't that apply to everything? If I don't have and can't find second hand a film tyhat is OOP can't I just watch the thousands of hours of content I have at my finger tips with my physical library? The minute you go with just watch something else the whole discussion becomes moot.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMHO, the layman will never relate to or understand people with larger home theaters that includes larger screens and sound systems. They can see a picture and hear the sound from their TV so see no need for anything more.

To them a single $20 disc does not compute because for that same amount they can get a months worth of content from one or more providers. Nothing new here, heard those same agreements in the 80's when we were paying $25 to $50 for a single LD title (not inflation adjusted).

I think there are some small minded people (it does not interest me so I can't see why someone will be interested in it. But I think many others just don't have the same interest as me.

Let me put it this way, I can understand why Alchev likes traveling, but to me I see it as the hassle of making sure you don't leave food that might go bad, the hassle of packing, the hassle of making sure the home is taken care of (get someone to water plants pick up mail....), the annoying waiting time at the airport, the potential of not everything going perfect (like getting sick in a different country), and lets not forget the cost. For me traveling is just not worth it, but I can understand why others don't see it that way, The fun of being somewhere new, the fun of meeting new people, the fun of escaping their life....

I see it the same way with HT/Movie collection. Some people are too closed minded and don't get why we are willing to go with the expense and trouble of a HT/movie collections, others appreciate that we are willing to do it for what we see as a benefit but it is just not for them, they will rather spend their time and money on other hassles like sitting around an airport for their flight and then sit for hours in the plane

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMHO, the layman will never relate to or understand people with larger home theaters that includes larger screens and sound systems. They can see a picture and hear the sound from their TV so see no need for anything more.

To them a single $20 disc does not compute because for that same amount they can get a months worth of content from one or more providers. Nothing new here, heard those same agreements in the 80's when we were paying $25 to $50 for a single LD title (not inflation adjusted).

I guess it's kind of like that with everything. I'm not a car guy so I can't understand why somebody gets excited over spending 10s of thousands of dollars more on their ride to work than I did for mine...

My ex wife hated that I would wait months later and drive miles away to get "new release " LDs when we had a BLOCKBUSTER 30 yards from our front door because...aspect ratio...

I should have the NORTHMAN on UHD next week, yet my son and his friends rented it again last night...He had to call me as 2:1 was not an A/R I had programmed into the HARMONY remote.

As far as home theater is concerned, we're living in a golden age with so many options and quality that we couldn't have dreamed of watching line doubled LDs on 3 gun projectors just a few years ago...

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMHO, the layman will never relate to or understand people with larger home theaters that includes larger screens and sound systems. They can see a picture and hear the sound from their TV so see no need for anything more.

That will never change. Joe Six Pack drives the market. Always has, always will. For every high dollar TV sold, a thousand cheap TVs are sold.

To them a single $20 disc does not compute because for that same amount they can get a months worth of content from one or more providers. Nothing new here, heard those same agreements in the 80's when we were paying $25 to $50 for a single LD title (not inflation adjusted).

Except in the 80's there was no $20 choice for months worth of content. CBL was pretty much it unless you went with the giant SAT dish. And of course free OTA if you could get it.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That will never change. Joe Six Pack drives the market. Always has, always will. For every high dollar TV sold, a thousand cheap TVs are sold.

yes and for every luxury sports car a thousand cheap cars are sold and for every mansion/castle a thousand cheap cheap homes are sold. nd for every person that has over 1Gb connection a thousand poeple use the cheapest one offered by the ISP

High end drives the market in the sense that it gets tech first and then as price trickles down people that are not willing to pay extra get it.

except for that they are different markets each on driving itself. Manufacturers that do high end want the high end customer and manufacturers that do low end want the low end customer.

Except in the 80's there was no $20 choice for months worth of content. CBL was pretty much it unless you went with the giant SAT dish. And of course free OTA if you could get it.

no there was not but in the 80's a person could spend 100$ for a LD or go to the rental shop for 3$ .

[cheez avenger]

Went to my rental shop and rented Double Indemnity 4K and Singin' in the Rain 4K discs. Will watch those this week.

Starting on the new Ninth Configuration BD today.

[crutzulee]

I am "Joe Six Pack" in literally everything..LOL...