Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

OLED TV market share surpasses 50% in European premium TV market

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1660733590

The Time of use tariffs aren’t in effect yet due to delays supplying every home with smart meters. ETA, 2024.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You are a nation of soccer fanatics; TVs will always be in demand to watch what you pretend is football.

We kick a ball with our feet, hence football.

Your version should be called softy rugby.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We kick a ball with our feet, hence football.

Your version should be called softy rugby.

Your version should be called "playing footsie."

I have no use for a game that can end in a tie. Talk about anticlimactic.

Both rugby and American football need to be tougher. I would have the games played in a mine field. Fat lot of good a helmet and shoulder pads would do you then!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Your version should be called "playing footsie."

I have no use for a game that can end in a tie. Talk about anticlimactic.

Both rugby and American football need to be tougher. I would have the games played in a mine field. Fat lot of good a helmet and shoulder pads would do you then!

I know a guy who had his head took off and he never complained!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

let me get this straight, even though the director's cut on single disk is there in the package you would rather not have access to the 5h content that is also included because it means after 2.5h you might need to stand up walk 10 feet and change disks?

hell if it is that big of a problem (maybe it is for health reasons), get a second player and you won't need to get up.

Everyone should have a daily exercise plan, I walk 3 miles daily. When I sit down in my HT I don't want to be running around Disc Flipping! Especially the people who have their Players stored in a rack behind smoked glass doors. IMO Disc Flipping is Obsolete!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Everyone should have a daily exercise plan, I walk 3 miles daily. When I sit down in my HT I don't want to be running around Disc Flipping! Especially the people who have their Players stored in a rack behind smoked glass doors. IMO Disc Flipping is Obsolete!

This is a subject you can not relate to. It is not about cost, changing disc, inserting disc in a player, etc. Folks in the know want the best source available for A/V and for many that is BD and UHD BD. They are not willing to settle for anything less. Some do use a server, be it DIY or Kaleidescape but all want lossless audio and the video to be as transparent to the source as possible.

Another factor repeated over and over, they want true ownership and once again only disc delivers.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Be sure to inspect the discs in that Herzog set; I remember that there were lots of complaints about it when it first came out. I'd love to upgrade my DVDs of these movies, but the reports of damaged/defective discs scared me off. I hope you are lucky with your set.

Every single one of them is scratched. Damn booksleeves. Almost everybody hates them, so why do you keep doing this to me? But they look playable. Well, there's a deeper scratch on My Best Friend that worries me. I'm not ripping anything right now because I'm still moving everything off the NAS to switch from RAID 5 to no RAID and so have almost no room, but I'm definitely ripping that movie in this lengthy process to make sure.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Every single one of them is scratched. Damn booksleeves. Almost everybody hates them, so why do you keep doing this to me? But they look playable. Well, there's a deeper scratch on My Best Friend that worries me. I'm not ripping anything right now because I'm still moving everything off the NAS to switch from RAID 5 to no RAID and so have almost no room, but I'm definitely ripping that movie in this lengthy process to make sure.

I am sorry to hear that.

I would write to Shout! and request that every disc be replaced. New merchandise should arrive in new condition. You'll need to take a LOT of pictures, but reportedly Shout! is good about replacing damaged discs.

Exchanging it with the seller would probably just get you another set with scratched discs. I'd go to the source on this one and ask that they ship the replacement discs in something other than those damnable vice grip cardboard sleeves.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Everyone should have a daily exercise plan, I walk 3 miles daily. When I sit down in my HT I don't want to be running around Disc Flipping! Especially the people who have their Players stored in a rack behind smoked glass doors. IMO Disc Flipping is Obsolete!

I, and many like me, do not need to do any disc swapping because we own more than one player. Two full discs worth of content is about the most that I ever watch in a single session.

What's truly obsolete is arbitrarily limiting yourself to only one source, i.e. streaming, for your entertainment. It's kinda obstinate, too.

[PenguinInfinity]

Alchav always sticks to the narrative that nothing can ever be wrong with streaming.

When something isn't available on physical media I'm disappointed. When something isn't available on streaming alchav still manages to call it "a win".

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Alchav always sticks to the narrative that nothing can ever be wrong with streaming.

When something isn't available on physical media I'm disappointed. When something isn't available on streaming alchav still manages to call it "a win".

You tell me....All Movies and TV Shows are stored on a Server, so IMO it's easier to go from Server to Server than Server to Disc. I call that a Win for Streaming!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You tell me....All Movies and TV Shows are stored on a Server, so IMO it's easier to go from Server to Server than Server to Disc. I call that a Win for Streaming!

Clearly not all movies and TV shows are stored on servers and available to stream. This conversation started when Vilya pointed out that the extended cut of Das Boot was only available on disc.

If literally all movies and TV shows were available to stream then I wouldn't have any issues with streaming.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You tell me....All Movies and TV Shows are stored on a Server, so IMO it's easier to go from Server to Server than Server to Disc. I call that a Win for Streaming!

ALL movies and TV shows are NOT on a server that we can access, which is what you are trying to imply here. All movies and TV shows are not on physical media, either. Show me which accessible "server" has the 5 hour TV cut of Das Boot. It is utterly ridiculous for you to say something that is so patently untrue. You undermine your already paper thin credibility when you say things that you know to be false.

You call literally everything a "win for streaming." You vapidly repeat it like a looped recording. Buffering video is not a win. Fluctuating resolution is not a win. Compression artifacts are not a win. Lack of shadow detail is not a win. Missing titles are not a win. Lower A/V quality is not a win. Internet outages and slowdowns are not a win. When you say everything is "Fantastic!" it no longer is.

I can load a disc into a player just as easily and just as quickly as I can launch a streaming app. I call having access to the vast selection offered by both physical media and streaming to be the real win.

I have access to everything that you do, and so very much that you do not, simply because I am open minded enough to use both. Your thinking is rigid and inflexible and you lose out on so much as a result, but you are also oblivious, so you don't even notice it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If literally all movies and TV shows were available to stream then I wouldn't have any issues with streaming.

I still would have issues with streaming: lower A/V quality, no real ownership or control, lack of extras, and dependence upon overtaxed servers and unreliable internet service.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still would have issues with streaming: lower A/V quality, no real ownership or control, lack of extras, and dependence upon overtaxed servers and unreliable internet service.

Would ownership or control matter if literally everything remained available?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Would ownership or control matter if literally everything remained available?

Yes, because ownership and control is an illusion when you do not yourself posses the content. That availability could be altered or revoked, in whole or in part, at anytime by the actual owners of that content or even by hackers with malicious intent.

I trust what is in my library, not what corporations deign to give me access to on any given day.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Yes, because ownership and control is an illusion when you do not yourself posses the content. That availability, and the content itself, could be altered or revoked, in whole or in part, at anytime by the actual owners of that content or even by hackers with malicious intent.

In any case it's an absurd hypothetical situation because there will always be tons of content that is not available to stream (contrary to what alchav believes).

Which is why I absolutely agree with your sentiment:

I trust what is in my library, not what corporations deign to give me access to on any given day.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You tell me....All Movies and TV Shows are stored on a Server, so IMO it's easier to go from Server to Server than Server to Disc. I call that a Win for Streaming!

That is not the process at all. Does no good to explain to you so I won't attempt to again.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m thinking more the mainstream. We need them for a healthy display market. It would be disastrous if millions switched tophones, tablets and other mobile devices that are much cheaper to run, electricity wise (charging mostly) just because they were being exploited between 8-12pm or earlier.

you are making some huge mistakes in jumping to your conclusion

1) most people won't care much and those that will try and save won't do it when it comes to TV watching

2) you are assuming something will change, why? right now an employee can charge his phone at work and watch it in the evening for free at home. If he does not do it now why will he do it when the electricity is a few pence more in the evening?

3) let's assume you are right and because of it the mainstream decides to watch a lot more on their phones, why does it matter. even if the person is OK watching on his phone 99% of time as long as there is that 1% where he wishes he had something bigger so that it is not an individual experience he will get a display (TV projector). Let me put it this way my sister has a cottage (second home) that is on a lake, near a ski hill & golf club (around 20 minutes drive) at Christmas they go there for 2-3 days and in the summer (end June-end august)they go there when they can the rest of the time it sits empty, my friend has a cottage on his own island in a lake there are many months of the year that it is unreachable (when the ice is thick enough you can walk on ice, when hot enough you can take his boat, but there is that time in the middle where the boat is stored for winter and it would be dangerous to walk on the ice), they botyh have TVs there even though they are not used much.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you are making some huge mistakes in jumping to your conclusion

1) most people won't care much and those that will try and save won't do it when it comes to TV watching

2) you are assuming something will change, why? right now an employee can charge his phone at work and watch it in the evening for free at home. If he does not do it now why will he do it when the electricity is a few pence more in the evening?

3) let's assume you are right and because of it the mainstream decides to watch a lot more on their phones, why does it matter. even if the person is OK watching on his phone 99% of time as long as there is that 1% where he wishes he had something bigger so that it is not an individual experience he will get a display (TV projector). Let me put it this way my sister has a cottage (second home) that is on a lake, near a ski hill & golf club (around 20 minutes drive) at Christmas they go there for 2-3 days and in the summer (end June-end august)they go there when they can the rest of the time it sits empty, my friend has a cottage on his own island in a lake there are many months of the year that it is unreachable (when the ice is thick enough you can walk on ice, when hot enough you can take his boat, but there is that time in the middle where the boat is stored for winter and it would be dangerous to walk on the ice), they botyh have TVs there even though they are not used much.

You mention ‘a few pence more’ but currently, in the U.K., we are looking at going from 1,200 per year to 6,000 per year from next spring. If they can do that now, what is stopping them from surge pricing in peak times in two to three years when everyone has the necessary smart meters?

Peak times could become so unbearable that people are frightened to put stuff on. In a way, that’s happening now with heating staying off in poor households.

We need our government to be strong and enforce a price cap if we go ‘Time Of Use’ in U.K.