Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Do you only rent digital titles that are available to buy on disc? Personally I'd hate it if I rented something, liked it a lot, and then had no way of ensuring that I would continue to be able to watch it in the future.

I have yet to rent a single title digitally, but I am willing to try it. I have only tried subscription streaming before.

If I like a title that I have rented, I will search for a disc release of it anywhere in the world and I will import it if necessary. I will pay OOP prices if I must.

If there is no disc to be had, I will wait until there is or I will evaluate other alternatives as a last resort and if I actually love the movie, but I will not buy a digital copy.

The movie has to be in a form that I have full control over.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's my basis for this whole debate. I will not support any format that I (and other customers) don't have full control over.

No one should ever lose access to a movie or be no longer able to buy a movie just because the studio doesn't offer it anymore. The same applies to all other art forms as well.

Sadly the movie studios are catching onto this and that is why I think they do not offer non-DRM downloads. They saw what happened to the music industry when it did that with iTunes.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Of course not, but can I presume you won't be complaining when the next GOTG is exclusive to Verizon or a Chris Hemsworth starring blockbuster is exclusive to Sprint/T-Mobile?

By the way, I know GOTG would be a Disney exclusive, I was just using examples of films and actors
I know you are fond of. It could apply to any future films starting out fave actors or film genres. It already is happening but this is going to accelerate. We might even get mobile phone exclusives like I have feared.

Disney would never do this. They are in the billion dollar theatrical model.

I predict their big streaming service exclusives to be straight to video type stuff.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Members Dustin44 and flyry have peeked my curiosity about Vudu. I may play with it next. Watching a one time rental is similar to watching a movie one time at the theater. Renting is also more convenient than dragging myself to the theater, economical, and there's the comfort of watching at home. All of this assumes my internet will allow it.

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I rented Unsane UHD today for free (50% rental off from "watching" an episode of Alf recently + today's $3.50 T-Mobile Tuesday credit)

I've rented quite a few movies recently and didn't really care for any of them (Hostiles, Red Sparrow, I Kill Giants).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Disney would never do this. They are in the billion dollar theatrical model.

I predict their big streaming service exclusives to be straight to video type stuff.

It would still be exclusive to streaming, just several weeks or months after the cinema debut.

[stonesfan129]

I like the whole ability to download streaming copies with VUDU-To-Go. But I hate that it's all encrypted so I can't take and move the file around and watch it on different devices. iTunes' method is better in this regard I think. That's one thing that is definitely better with a disc. I can take it to my brother-in-law's place and watch it with them. Ehh you know what I changed my mind I'm sticking with discs. Better quality (yes I get that streaming is good enough a lot of times) and you can watch it on pretty much anything else that can play the disc. Can't do that so easily with streaming.

[fatboy1111]

Give me physical all day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by fatboy1111

Give me physical all day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

You guys sound like Broken Records, I was down in San Diego and LA, CA visiting relatives. When I talked to them about buying and watching Movies, they said they don't buy anymore rent BD from Red Box. No one is buying 4K Discs because they don't have a 4K Player, and don't intend to buy one. As for collecting Movies, most said they watch a Movie once and that's it so why collect. They Stream from Netflix and Amazon, but most don't have Movie Streaming Collections.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys sound like Broken Records, I was down in San Diego and LA, CA visiting relatives. When I talked to them about buying and watching Movies, they said they don't buy anymore rent BD from Red Box. No one is buying 4K Discs because they don't have a 4K Player, and don't intend to buy one. As for collecting Movies, most said they watch a Movie once and that's it so why collect. They Stream from Netflix and Amazon, but most don't have Movie Streaming Collections.

You are back and still posting absolute nonsense. Its always one extreme or the other. I would say that you sound like a parrot senselessly repeating what it does not comprehend, but I have more respect for parrots than I do for your comments.

4K disc players are enjoying triple digit percentage sales growth, so clearly people are buying them. Sales of 4K discs have risen eight fold. You even go on to say that people have no intention of buying a 4K player! You have ZERO ways of knowing the intentions of other people. None. Nil. Nein. Nada. The sales data proves you to be wrong, not that that takes any effort.

I gave a citation for this sales growth several posts ago. I could repost it, but you ignored the facts then and you will keep on doing so. How can actual industry sales information compete with how your family watches movies? It is to .

Here is a newer article:

"Samsung’s Dan Schinasi, BDA’s U.S. promotions chair, and Sony’s Victor Matsuda, NDA’s global promotions chair, noted that that sales of Ultra HD Blu-ray players were up 133 percent. They also pointed to an eight-fold increase of 2017 unit sales of UHD Blu-ray software."

https://www.twice.com/product/physic...victor-matsuda

I buy them and I am not a "no one." I have 53 4K UHD titles, in fact, and I will add even more. They are so common place that even the stores in the town nearest to my village, a small city of just 20,000, stock them.

What your relatives are doing is not indicative of anything nor were your random conversations with retail clerks in your neighborhood previous to this. It sounds like your relatives simply rent content: discs from Redbox and subscription streaming. Their behavior ONLY represents them, not the entire world. Ridiculous extrapolation from you as usual.

Sales data is collected and analyzed for every market and it is that hard data that tells us how a given product or service is performing. Your anecdotal observations and predictable hyperbole are only absolute in the fact that they show you to be wrong every. single. time. Yet, you keep repeating yourself as if the act of doing so will transform your fallacies. It won't, and every time you say something this absurd, you will be taken to task for it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You are back and still posting absolute nonsense. Its always one extreme or the other. I would say that you sound like a parrot senselessly repeating what it does not comprehend, but I have more respect for parrots than I do for your comments.

4K disc players are enjoying triple digit percentage sales growth, so clearly people are buying them. Sales of 4K discs have risen eight fold. You even go on to say that people have no intention of buying a 4K player! You have ZERO ways of knowing the intentions of other people. None. Nil. Nein. Nada. The sales data proves you to be wrong, not that that takes any effort.

I gave a citation for this sales growth several posts ago. I could repost it, but you ignored the facts then and you will keep on doing so. How can actual industry sales information compete with how your family watches movies? It is to .

Here is a newer article:

"Samsung’s Dan Schinasi, BDA’s U.S. promotions chair, and Sony’s Victor Matsuda, NDA’s global promotions chair, noted that that sales of Ultra HD Blu-ray players were up 133 percent. They also pointed to an eight-fold increase of 2017 unit sales of UHD Blu-ray software."

https://www.twice.com/product/physic...victor-matsuda

I buy them and I am not a "no one." I have 53 4K UHD titles, in fact, and I will add even more. They are so common place that even the stores in the town nearest to my village, a small city of just 20,000, stock them.

What your relatives are doing is not indicative of anything nor were your random conversations with retail clerks in your neighborhood previous to this. It sounds like your relatives simply rent content: discs from Redbox and subscription streaming. Their behavior ONLY represents them, not the entire world. Ridiculous extrapolation from you as usual.

Sales data is collected and analyzed for every market and it is that hard data that tells us how a given product or service is performing. Your anecdotal observations and predictable hyperbole are only absolute in the fact that they show you to be wrong every. single. time. Yet, you keep repeating yourself as if the act of doing so will transform your fallacies. It won't, and every time you say something this absurd, you will be taken to task for it.

I have 10 4K discs now, it’s a start I suppose. I plan on plenty more.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have 10 4K discs now, it’s a start I suppose. I plan on plenty more.

Why don't you add them to your collection profile on here steedeel.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tob

Why don't you add them to your collection profile on here steedeel.

Just lazy mate, got hundreds of blurays to add also.

[stonesfan129]

My only issue with Redbox is that idiots don't know how to take care of the discs and mark them up. I'll be watching one and it starts skipping and then I have to clean it.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just lazy mate, got hundreds of blurays to add also.

I'm guilty of that too. Loads of Blu-rays in another room that I haven't entered on here, and as for DVD's - I wouldn't know where to begin.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

I'm guilty of that too. Loads of Blu-rays in another room that I haven't entered on here, and as for DVD's - I wouldn't know where to begin.

It did take a LOT of time to enter all of my collection, especially the dvd titles as many were not even in the database until I submitted entries for them. I am still trying to categorize them and that can be difficult as many movies fit into more than one genre while other categories are extremely broad, such as "drama." Labeling a film "drama" does not really convey much about the movie.

It is nice having all but my more archaic formats, such as laserdisc, listed here. It is a real convenient way to browse my collection, look at the cover art, and read a brief synopsis on each title. The web links to imdb.com for more information are real handy, too. Listing my collection here also allows my family and friends to look through it as well. It saves time on movie night as they can look at potential choices before they arrive.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It did take a LOT of time to enter all of my collection, especially the dvd titles as many were not even in the database until I submitted entries for them. I am still trying to categorize them and that can be difficult as many movies fit into more than one genre while other categories are extremely broad, such as "drama." Labeling a film "drama" does not really convey much about the movie.

You have a phenomenal collection, and credit to you for having the patience to enter them all into the database. I appreciate what you say about categorizing them into genres as I have numerous titles myself which could fall into both horror and sci-fi, so I'd probably just leave them in alphabetical order like I've done with the Blu-rays so far.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys sound like Broken Records, I was down in San Diego and LA, CA visiting relatives. When I talked to them about buying and watching Movies, they said they don't buy anymore rent BD from Red Box. No one is buying 4K Discs because they don't have a 4K Player, and don't intend to buy one. As for collecting Movies, most said they watch a Movie once and that's it so why collect. They Stream from Netflix and Amazon, but most don't have Movie Streaming Collections.

Apart from the verifiable facts that Vilya so generously provides EVERY SINGLE TIME you make one of your statements, the fact remains that studios would not be releasing catalog 4K discs if they were not selling.

Businesses don't generally go to the trouble of manufacturing items that, according to you, no one is buying. Nor do stores stock items that no one is buying. Nor do items that no one is buying SELL OUT and become difficult to find like the recent Matrix release.

I understand where your preferences lie, and that is fine. More power to you. But to repeatedly disseminate false information based on limited first hand accounts that contradict verifiable facts appears to be willful ignorance.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Businesses don't generally go to the trouble of manufacturing items that, according to you, no one is buying. Nor do stores stock items that no one is buying. Nor do items that no one is buying SELL OUT and become difficult to find like the recent Matrix release.

Very true. Of course, I can only speak for the UK, but whenever I've popped into a regular bricks-and-mortar store in the city to look at Blu-rays, all you see are people clutching handfuls of discs queuing up to pay for them. I don't know whether they're 4K or not, but discs in general are certainly huge sellers and show no sign of declining.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just lazy mate, got hundreds of blurays to add also.

Originally Posted by CV19

I'm guilty of that too. Loads of Blu-rays in another room that I haven't entered on here, and as for DVD's - I wouldn't know where to begin.

You should do it lads then you know exactly how many blu rays you have in your collection.
The only thing i didn't add in my profile was my dvd collection its too big.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by tob

You should do it lads then you know exactly how many blu rays you have in your collection.
The only thing i didn't add in my profile was my dvd collection its too big.

I may get round to it one day Tob. My disc collection isn't all in one place unfortunately, so I would need to organise it properly first.