Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

[Show spoiler]No, but technology is moving at a scary pace. Decades ago we had tv and primitive game consoles. Look what we have now. The downside of that is new storytelling formats replacing old ones. The radio is still here but podcasts are waaaaay more popular with younger people. I believe the same may be true going forward with short form content, interactive films/tv and even how we watch stuff. Netflix is VERY influential and the fact they are experimenting with several movies and tv in the interactive format makes me feel a little sick.
Similar to the way a person who lives for music would feel if they were told that music would be remixed and resampled with original tracks replaced. Devastation in other words.

Guess what? All that shit is popular with old farts too. So stop trying to sound like one and pigeon hole everyone in your narrow minded outlook on the future. Get it through your head. It has nothing to do with the younger generation, but how the general public prefers to watch something

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, but technology is moving at a scary pace. Decades ago we had tv and primitive game consoles. Look what we have now. The downside of that is new storytelling formats replacing old ones. The radio is still here but podcasts are waaaaay more popular with younger people. I believe the same may be true going forward with short form content, interactive films/tv and even how we watch stuff. Netflix is VERY influential and the fact they are experimenting with several movies and tv in the interactive format makes me feel a little sick.
Similar to the way a person who lives for music would feel if they were told that music would be remixed and resampled with original tracks replaced. Devastation in other words.

I don't know if you have noticed, but we still have TVs, radio, and game consoles.

I repeat: not a single art form has disappeared in my lifetime despite all of the other changes that have occurred. New art forms and new variations of existing art forms should not frighten you. They provide MORE choices; they don't lessen them.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, but technology is moving at a scary pace. Decades ago we had tv and primitive game consoles. Look what we have now.

I know, right??? It's freaking amazing.

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory - Pure Imagination Scene (4/10) | Movieclips - YouTube

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The downside of that is new storytelling formats replacing old ones.

Like what? What old storytelling formats have we lost?

Vaudeville and radio dramas? Silent movies? Black and White movies?

Give us a specific examples of an old storytelling format being replaced by a new one. And not a hypothetical example, mind you. One that has already happened.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

I know, right??? It's freaking amazing.

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory - Pure Imagination Scene (4/10) | Movieclips - YouTube



Like what? What old storytelling formats have we lost?

Vaudeville and radio dramas? Silent movies? Black and White movies?

Give us a specific examples of an old storytelling format being replaced by a new one. And not a hypothetical example, mind you. One that has already happened.

3D movies at home. Something some people absolutely adore but in couple of years it’s going to be impossible to buy movies. Oh and 3D goes back to the 50’s, so it is a old storytelling format.

[Groot]

The cost to have multiple “choose your adventure” shows and movies would be astronomical. It’s not feasible outside of a novelty, not a constant - overdone thing.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

The cost to have multiple “choose your adventure” shows and movies would be astronomical. It’s not feasible outside of a novelty, not a constant - overdone thing.

Therefore the short form story format may come to prominence with the format.
Also, some directors are now shooting films on the cheap with IPhones and delivering films in a couple of weeks rather than months.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

3D movies at home. Something some people absolutely adore but in couple of years it’s going to be impossible to buy movies. Oh and 3D goes back to the 50’s, so it is a old storytelling format.

3D movies have not disappeared. I buy about a half dozen each month. There are new releases in 3D every month as well. I ordered the following just yesterday:

Snowtime
The Mask
Sangaree new release
The Three Musketeers
Solo A Star Wars Story import
Terminator 2 import

I plan to order Pacific Rim Uprising when the price is better and Skyscraper gets released on Oct. 16th. I am undecided about getting Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom and Justice League. All of these are either recent, new, or upcoming 3D releases. I have a few more sitting in my wishlist, too.

3D titles are still available and more are being released; it has not been "lost". Please do not resort to the silly hyperbole used by you-know-who.

I recently watched Ready Player One 3D and it was an awesome use of the 3D format!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

3D movies have not disappeared. I buy about a half dozen each month. There are new releases in 3D every month as well. I ordered the following just yesterday:

Snowtime
The Mask
Sangaree new release
The Three Musketeers
Solo A Star Wars Story import
Terminator 2 import

I plan to order Pacific Rim Uprising when the price is better and Skyscraper gets released on Oct. 16th. I am undecided about getting Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom and Justice League. All of these are either recent, new, or upcoming 3D releases. I have a few more sitting in my wishlist, too.

3D titles are still available and more are being released; it has not been "lost". Please do not resort to the silly hyperbole used by you-know-who.

Like I said, in a couple of years they won’t be produced.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Therefore the short form story format may come to prominence with the format.
Also, some directors are now shooting films on the cheap with IPhones and delivering films in a couple of weeks rather than months.

Short form content is over a century old. The old Nickelodeon type short subject films began in 1888! Short form content has not caused any other content to fail; we have had it in many forms for 130 years and counting. Even if it became "prominent", whatever that even means, it will not eliminate the demand for long form content.

Interestingly, the first feature length movie was 60 minutes long, The Story Of Kelly, dating back to 1906. If you include documentary films, The Corbett-Fitzsimmons Fight was 100 minutes long and was made in 1897. Long form content is therefore 121 years-old and shows no signs of dying.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like I said, in a couple of years they won’t be produced.

People like you have been saying that about 3D titles, and discs in general, as far back as 2015, maybe even earlier. All of you have been dead wrong for 4 years and counting. Talk about consistency!

3D is all but non-existent on streaming services, so 3D disc releases are not only the best way to view 3D at home, but they are essentially the only way to do so.

3D remains especially popular abroad and it is still enjoyed at theaters even here in the U.S. 3D movies are still being made and shown at cinemas because there is demand for them. 3D content will continue to be offered on home video. I have 213 3D titles and I will be buying more because more are being made.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

People like you have been saying that about 3D titles, and discs in general, as far back as 2015, maybe even earlier. All of you have been dead wrong for 4 years and counting. Talk about consistency!

3D is all but non-existent on streaming services, so 3D disc releases are not only the best way to view 3D at home, but they are essentially the only way to do so.

3D remains especially popular abroad and it is still enjoyed at theaters even here in the U.S. 3D movies are still being made and shown at cinemas because there is demand for them. 3D content will continue to be offered on home video. I have 213 3D titles and I will be buying more because more are being made.

They have stopped producing 3D televisions in the US and You have to go online here in the U.K. fewer companies are shooting with 3D in mind, it’s as good as dead. I have a crap load of 3D discs and like you, I have bought some a few weeks back but that doesn’t change anything. It’s dying. 2019 or 2020, it doesn’t matter. We are going to be scrapping around for little crumbs and that’s no way to enjoy entertainment.

I have been a regular poster in the 3D threads for years so I’m a huge fan Of the format. Classics like House Of Wax look stunning as do more modern efforts like DR Strange.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Classics like House Of Wax look stunning as do more modern efforts like DR Strange.

I've never watched a film in 3D in the cinema or on blu-ray, and I've always wondered how a 50's film such as House Of Wax compares with a modern film made today. Is the 3D any "better" or more effective in a recent film, or is it simply a case of 3D is 3D regardless of the age of the film - if you see what I'm trying to say? I hope you'll forgive my ignorance here.

I have the Vincent Price film House Of Wax on blu-ray which also includes the normal non-3D version, and also have The Creature From The Black Lagoon, which again includes both versions of the movie but have only watched them in 2D.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I've never watched a film in 3D in the cinema or on blu-ray, and I've always wondered how a 50's film such as House Of Wax compares with a modern film made today. Is the 3D any "better" or more effective in a recent film, or is it simply a case of 3D is 3D regardless of the age of the film - if you see what I'm trying to say? I hope you'll forgive my ignorance here.

I have the Vincent Price film House Of Wax on blu-ray which also includes the normal non-3D version, and also have The Creature From The Black Lagoon, which again includes both versions of the movie but have only watched them in 2D.

House Of Wax has better depth than 90% percent modern efforts. It looks fantastic. There are two major pop outs also. Both work great. You won’t be disappointed. It has obviously been done with a great deal of care. Modern 3D often doesn’t push either element to the max and therefore, more often than not, is underwhelming.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Just did a couple more DVD2HDX (MA) because it looks like the titles are never going to be on BD. Watched one via Amazon, it change several time between SD, HD and HD 1080. In HD 1080 it was still soft with artifacts, when over I checked the frame rate and it was 30 Hz. Why in the world Amazon would take a 24 Hz source and convert it to 3:2 pull down is beyond me. Next I did some spot checks of the same title on VUDU, it appeared a little sharper and was 24 Hz. Will compare it to the DVD soon.

Some Netflix content is now down to 2.27 Mbps for HD and some SD content is 1.6 Mbps.

All the above continues to make me really glad that I have my physical library and continue to add to it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just did a couple more DVD2HDX (MA) because it looks like the titles are never going to be on BD. Watched one via Amazon, it change several time between SD, HD and HD 1080. In HD 1080 it was still soft with artifacts, when over I checked the frame rate and it was 30 Hz. Why in the world Amazon would take a 24 Hz source and convert it to 3:2 pull down is beyond me. Next I did some spot checks of the same title on VUDU, it appeared a little sharper and was 24 Hz. Will compare it to the DVD soon.

Some Netflix content is now down to 2.27 Mbps for HD and some SD content is 1.6 Mbps.

All the above continues to make me really glad that I have my physical library and continue to add to it.

Yeah I saw full HD at slightly less than 3Mbps! talk about the race to the bottom imo!

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

House Of Wax has better depth than 90% percent modern efforts. It looks fantastic. There are two major pop outs also. Both work great. You won’t be disappointed. It has obviously been done with a great deal of care. Modern 3D often doesn’t push either element to the max and therefore, more often than not, is underwhelming.

Many thanks Steedeel. I was just curious really to find out how today's 3D compares with older movies.

[Wendell R. Breland]

What 3D glasses do you guys use? I Have (2) XPAND 3D Glasses Lite RF, Model X105-RF-X1 and (2) Sony TDG-BT500A. I lke the Xpands better.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

Many thanks Steedeel. I was just curious really to find out how today's 3D compares with older movies.

Modern 3D often looks outright amazing whether filmed natively in 3D or done in post conversion. I would not own 213 titles on 3D if I was not impressed by it on both new and vintage films.

Ready Player One is the most recent stellar application of the format. The 3D blu-ray reviews on this website rate the 3D aspect of 3D releases in the video section and there are often threads dedicated to individual releases.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by CV19

I was just curious really to find out how today's 3D compares with older movies.

Nowadays most 3D is post process but some post process titles can look quite good. I prefer titles made with 3D cameras. A list here.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

They have stopped producing 3D televisions in the US and You have to go online here in the U.K. fewer companies are shooting with 3D in mind, it’s as good as dead. I have a crap load of 3D discs and like you, I have bought some a few weeks back but that doesn’t change anything. It’s dying. 2019 or 2020, it doesn’t matter. We are going to be scrapping around for little crumbs and that’s no way to enjoy entertainment.

I have been a regular poster in the 3D threads for years so I’m a huge fan Of the format. Classics like House Of Wax look stunning as do more modern efforts like DR Strange.

Almost all projectors still support 3D although they do require active shutter glasses. The Playstation 4 Virtual Reality headset supports 3D blu-ray viewing, also. There are persistent rumors that 8K TVs might include 3D and possibly without the need for any special glasses. 3D has proven most difficult to kill.

3D is huge in many parts of the world; it is very popular in China and India and these two countries represent about 40% of the world's population. 3D movies still do well in Europe and in the Americas, too. The supply exists because the demand does; it's that's simple really.