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Old 12-14-2019, 08:58 PM   #19501
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Just when you thought that you could not read anything more imbecilic, I give you this post in another thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2804

"Anything that's not being used for that long, it's going to have problems because, the internal mechanisms need to operable and in use for them for self lubrications and mobile to keep them functioning."

^The author of this gem is trying to explain why a blu-ray disc could go bad.

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Old 12-15-2019, 10:50 AM   #19502
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Eh, I can’t tell if they were being serious or facetious
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Old 12-15-2019, 12:51 PM   #19503
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Just when you thought that you could not read anything more imbecilic, I give you this post in another thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2804

"Anything that's not being used for that long, it's going to have problems because, the internal mechanisms need to operable and in use for them for self lubrications and mobile to keep them functioning."

^The author of this gem is trying to explain why a blu-ray disc could go bad.
Sounds like that person may be referring to the player? discs donít have internal mechanisms or lubrication. Someone correct me if Iím wrong. I have had this happen to me. I had a player I wasnít using for a while and I plugged it back in because the newer one was having a hard time with older dvds. The older playerís disc slot opened and closed very slowly and sounded a bit rough. I am not sure why I even keep it at this point. It sounds like it is chewing on the discs instead of spinning them.
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Old 12-15-2019, 01:11 PM   #19504
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Just when you thought that you could not read anything more imbecilic, I give you this post in another thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2804

"Anything that's not being used for that long, it's going to have problems because, the internal mechanisms need to operable and in use for them for self lubrications and mobile to keep them functioning."

^The author of this gem is trying to explain why a blu-ray disc could go bad.
Alternatively, you could have simply asked what the author meant instead of slamming him or her in a different thread.
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Old 12-15-2019, 01:50 PM   #19505
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Alternatively, you could have simply asked what the author meant instead of slamming him or her in a different thread.
This person has a history of posting ridiculous and idiotic things. Describing his post as imbecilic is accurate and I do not apologize if any snowflakes were offended by this apt descriptor of his post. I also commented in the thread where he posted; had you bothered to read further you would have noticed. I even thanked most of the replies to his post.

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Sounds like that person may be referring to the player?
It is also obvious that he is talking about discs, and not the disc players, plural, as it would be absurd to think that the person he was replying to had not used their multiple disc players in 12 years or that all of his players had simultaneously failed.

The post to which he is replying said this:

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Tried to play my 2007 Ratatouille release on mulitple players tonight and all rejected the disc.

Not pleased. Anyone have experience with contacting Disney about defective products.

Disc was only watched once in 12 years.
In his response, he says:

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12 years? Why did you even buy it, you should've just rented it. People don't buy movies just to store in a rack for umpteen years, and expect them to still play afterwards. Anything that's not being used for that long, it's going to have problems because, the internal mechanisms need to operable and in use for them for self lubrications and mobile to keep them functioning.
What's "not being used" here? The disc or the multiple players? The disc is what has not been used for 12 years; the disc is what is defective, and the disc is what is being discussed.

It is abundantly clear that disc failure is the topic of discussion, not simultaneous multiple player malfunction. The replies that he received in response to his post also confirm that defective discs were the topic, not players.

See the subsequent conversation here:

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People don't buy movies just to store in a rack for umpteen years, and expect them to still play afterwards.
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Well actually they do.
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Then its stupid.
He thinks that people who buy and store discs for long periods, and that still expect them to play later, are "stupid." What a nice guy!

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It's also stupid that you spelled IT'S without the necessary apostrophe.
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I spell it the way I want to spell it! Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
^Does he still come across as the sweetheart that you thought he was?

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well I guess all those collector's with big collections are screwed then... thanks for that!
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This is absolute nonsense. It's a disc not a car. There are no moving parts so nothing to maintain. The only reason optical discs ever go bad are because of either manufacturing problems or mishandling by the user.

A lot of these discs are breaking down because the plastic layer/s covering the data are letting in air and slowing oxidising the data layer. It's either poor material which is breaking down overtime or its the glue used.
^ This person describes his post as "absolute nonsense"; is that really that much nicer than my calling it imbecilic? Will you go and chastise him, too? Don't forget to reprimand Professor Echo, quoted above, for his little jibe. Looks like ol' Slimdude needs your tender attention as well. If you wanna be the self-appointed forum nanny, hop to it; you're gonna be very busy indeed.

Reading comprehension makes all the difference; try it sometime.

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Old 12-15-2019, 02:43 PM   #19506
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Eh, I canít tell if they were being serious or facetious
If you knew their history, you would be able to tell which without hesitation.
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:22 PM   #19507
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Alternatively, you could have simply asked what the author meant instead of slamming him or her in a different thread.
The OP (slimdude) in question is a mess. The poster should have separated players from disc. Oilite bearings in optical disc players, car alternators, drills, etc. can dry out from lack of use.

A stamped optical disc metal layer(s) can oxidize over time and become unplayable. A properly stored optical disc should play regardless of the interval of play. At work we had CD's play 24/365 for one of the FM sub-channels. I have CD's from the mid 80's that play fine after being on the shelf for years.
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:29 PM   #19508
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The OP (slimdude) in question is a mess. The poster should have separated players from disc. Oilite bearings in optical disc players, car alternators, drills, etc. can dry out from lack of use.

A stamped optical disc metal layer(s) can oxidize over time and become unplayable. A properly stored optical disc should play regardless of the interval of play. At work we had CD's play 24/365 for one of the FM sub-channels. I have CD's from the mid 80's that play fine after being on the shelf for years.
Exactly. The forum member with the bad disc, 78deluxe, did not experience simultaneous catastrophic failure across all of his disc players. He tried to play a disc that had been stored for 12 years on each of his players and he could not do so. Knucklehead then comes along and criticizes him for expecting the disc to play and for even buying it in the first place.

I wonder how often he thinks that we need to play a disc in order to maintain its playability AND to justify purchasing it at all?

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Old 12-15-2019, 04:53 PM   #19509
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The OP (slimdude) in question is a mess. The poster should have separated players from disc. Oilite bearings in optical disc players, car alternators, drills, etc. can dry out from lack of use.

A stamped optical disc metal layer(s) can oxidize over time and become unplayable. A properly stored optical disc should play regardless of the interval of play. At work we had CD's play 24/365 for one of the FM sub-channels. I have CD's from the mid 80's that play fine after being on the shelf for years.
I have never had a disc not work because it was left on a shelf. Usually those are the ones that work the best because there is little chance they are scratched or damaged. I have heard stories of older pc game discs, cds, and some early dvds rotting, but I havenít experienced anything like that yet. Itís pretty cold and dry here.
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:10 PM   #19510
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This person has a history of posting ridiculous and idiotic things. Describing his post as imbecilic is accurate and I do not apologize if any snowflakes were offended by this apt descriptor of his post. I also commented in the thread where he posted; had you bothered to read further you would have noticed. I even thanked most of the replies to his post.



It is also obvious that he is talking about discs, and not the disc players, plural, as it would be absurd to think that the person he was replying to had not used their multiple disc players in 12 years or that all of his players had simultaneously failed.

The post to which he is replying said this:



In his response, he says:



What's "not being used" here? The disc or the multiple players? The disc is what has not been used for 12 years; the disc is what is defective, and the disc is what is being discussed.

It is abundantly clear that disc failure is the topic of discussion, not simultaneous multiple player malfunction. The replies that he received in response to his post also confirm that defective discs were the topic, not players.

See the subsequent conversation here:







He thinks that people who buy and store discs for long periods, and that still expect them to play later, are "stupid." What a nice guy!





^Does he still come across as the sweetheart that you thought he was?

More replies to his dumb post:





^ This person describes his post as "absolute nonsense"; is that really that much nicer than my calling it imbecilic? Will you go and chastise him, too? Don't forget to reprimand Professor Echo, quoted above, for his little jibe. Looks like ol' Slimdude needs your tender attention as well. If you wanna be the self-appointed forum nanny, hop to it; you're gonna be very busy indeed.

Reading comprehension makes all the difference; try it sometime.
I donít think you can on one hand argue that someoneís point is nonsensical and on the other argue that it is abundantly clear what their point is. I also donít think that other peopleís responses make his point any more clear. He also doesnít call anyone stupid. Half the time it looks like heís taking the piss.
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:23 PM   #19511
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I don’t think you can on one hand argue that someone’s point is nonsensical and on the other argue that it is abundantly clear what their point is. I also don’t think that other people’s responses make his point any more clear. He also doesn’t call anyone stupid. Half the time it looks like he’s taking the piss.
I said that his topic was abundantly clear, and it was to everyone except you, apparently; the only point that that poster has is atop his head. No one but you thought he might be talking about disc players; that's all you and you alone.

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It is abundantly clear that disc failure is the topic of discussion, not simultaneous multiple player malfunction.
Notice how I used the word "topic" and not "point?" Different words with different meanings. The word "point" does not even appear in my post and it was forum member Simon_LDT that said his post was "absolute nonsense." I said his post was imbecilic.

He calls buying and storing discs long term, and expecting them to still work, stupid. Calling people's behavior, and their expectations, stupid is pretty much equivalent to calling them stupid outright.

Keeping working on that reading comprehension; it is so bad as to be stupid. Now, by your reckoning, I did not call you "stupid" just there, just your reading comprehension. We good then?

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Old 12-15-2019, 06:19 PM   #19512
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I said that his topic was abundantly clear, and it was to everyone except you, apparently; the only point that that poster has is atop his head. No one but you thought he might be talking about disc players; that's all you and you alone.



Notice how I used the word "topic" and not "point?" Different words with different meanings. The word "point" does not even appear in my post and it was forum member Simon_LDT that said his post was "absolute nonsense." I said his post was imbecilic.

He calls buying and storing discs long term, and expecting them to still work, stupid. Calling people's behavior, and their expectations, stupid is pretty much equivalent to calling them stupid outright.

Keeping working on that reading comprehension; it is so bad as to be stupid. Now, by your reckoning, I did not call you "stupid" just there, just your reading comprehension. We good then?
I’m not disputing what the topic of the conversation is. The topic of conversation is clear but his point is not. You indicated that it is clear that he is speaking about discs (his point) and I disagree. He starts talking about discs but seems to shift gears and talk about tech.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:30 PM   #19513
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I have never had a disc not work because it was left on a shelf.
That is not the cause, some explanation here. Fortunately, it happens to a very small % of pressed disc.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:38 PM   #19514
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Exactly. The forum member with the bad disc, 78deluxe, did not experience simultaneous catastrophic failure across all of his disc players.
It was a lame post and no amount of justification by other posters will change that.

Changing direction, with regards to your future audio upgrades, have you decided on how many channels? Include immersive?
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:41 PM   #19515
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I said that his topic was abundantly clear, and it was to everyone except you, apparently; the only point that that poster has is atop his head. No one but you thought he might be talking about disc players; that's all you and you alone.



Notice how I used the word "topic" and not "point?" Different words with different meanings. The word "point" does not even appear in my post and it was forum member Simon_LDT that said his post was "absolute nonsense." I said his post was imbecilic.

He calls buying and storing discs long term, and expecting them to still work, stupid. Calling people's behavior, and their expectations, stupid is pretty much equivalent to calling them stupid outright.

Keeping working on that reading comprehension; it is so bad as to be stupid. Now, by your reckoning, I did not call you "stupid" just there, just your reading comprehension. We good then?
Also, Slimguy says, ďThen itís stupid.Ē Itís not clear whether he is referring to people, behaviour, or the fact that discs play after years on the shelf. Either way, he is not really directing nastiness towards anyone in particular.
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That is not the cause, some explanation here. Fortunately, it happens to a very small % of pressed disc.
I used a double negative there. I meant to say that I have never had issues with discs after leaving them for long periods.
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It was a lame post and no amount of justification by other posters will change that.

Changing direction, with regards to your future audio upgrades, have you decided on how many channels? Include immersive?
I agree that it is a lame post. I am not trying to justify Slimguyís posts. They are badly flawed and there is no arguing that.
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It was a lame post and no amount of justification by other posters will change that.

Changing direction, with regards to your future audio upgrades, have you decided on how many channels? Include immersive?
I want an AVR with plenty of expansion possibilities. My current one only supports 7.1, so that must be addressed. I want the option to do ATMOS, but mounting speakers to the ceiling is very difficult for me thanks to recent developments, so I am undecided about how to proceed there.

The dilemma is finding one that will also support my older devices; new AVR's don't offer many options here or many such connections when they offer them at all. I like my both my old and new toys and I want to be able to keep using all of them.

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I’m not disputing what the topic of the conversation is. The topic of conversation is clear but his point is not. You indicated that it is clear that he is speaking about discs (his point) and I disagree. He starts talking about discs but seems to shift gears and talk about tech.
This laundry has been aired out plenty; I see no value in airing it out still more. I never expected to spend a fraction of this amount of time talking about it. I thought the post was unintentionally funny, so I shared it, and the replies it garnered, here.

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This laundry has been aired out plenty; I see no value in airing it out still more. I never expected to spend a fraction of this amount of time talking about it. I thought the post was unintentionally funny, so I shared it, and the replies it garnered, here.
Iím good with that. I swear I donít come on here to just argue. Itís a bad habit.
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