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Old 12-20-2019, 11:44 PM   #781
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So you’re little self-entitled a** is the reason my order of Braveheart has been delayed I bet, ordered the movie almost 3 weeks ago. SMH Even with the holidays you selfishly asked for another copy??
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Are you off your rocker, or what? The guy got a damaged package. He’s supposed to get a replacement.
TXMoviebuff77 was joking. Give it a try sometime. You’ll enjoy it.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:00 AM   #782
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You’re assuming just like I assumed otherwise. An indication of humor is always welcome on a forum. Either way, c’est la vie.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:23 AM   #783
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So you’re little self-entitled a** is the reason my order of Braveheart has been delayed I bet, ordered the movie almost 3 weeks ago. SMH Even with the holidays you selfishly asked for another copy??
LOL.

Hey what can I say?
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Old 12-21-2019, 01:45 AM   #784
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TXMoviebuff77 was joking. Give it a try sometime. You’ll enjoy it.
He was? Huh. With some folks it's realllllllllly hard to tell.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:30 AM   #785
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I own this disc but have not watched it. Is the bluray a new transfer? How do people feel about this 4K after all this time?
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:31 AM   #786
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Braveheart was great in 95. And even through the 90s, but for me it just doesn't hold up well. But it does show how great Mel is at throwing together a movie. Acting and Director. Very ambitious guy. I want Apocalypto 4k without a doubt that's his best thus far.
What the hell lol? Apocalypto had some decent moments, but was mostly trash. I saw that in the theater. It was not very good.

Braveheart is a classic. It has some dated moments maybe, but this film is superior in every way to that film, on many levels objectively. I get opinions and all, but man IDK bout this one.
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Old 01-28-2020, 06:32 AM   #787
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Apocalypto is awesome.
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Old 01-28-2020, 06:34 AM   #788
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You lost me at "objectively" after you said 'on many levels' it's superior. Sorry, it's all subjective. When film critics, historians and fans analyze and rate film there is nothing objective about it. Nothing.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:25 AM   #789
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What the hell lol? Apocalypto had some decent moments, but was mostly trash. I saw that in the theater. It was not very good.

Braveheart is a classic. It has some dated moments maybe, but this film is superior in every way to that film, on many levels objectively. I get opinions and all, but man IDK bout this one.
For me, Braveheart is just as powerful now as the day it hit theaters. It's tremendous entertainment.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:49 PM   #790
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You lost me at "objectively" after you said 'on many levels' it's superior. Sorry, it's all subjective. When film critics, historians and fans analyze and rate film there is nothing objective about it. Nothing.
I doubt you will even read this, so maybe a blog like this is more your thing: https://movietime.guru/editorial-cla...m-aa5e7016daca

Or just google objective vs subjective in art. The idea that has been perpetrated on us that all art is subjective is nothing more than the complete loss and aversion of taste, talent, and professional skill. Definitely huge in this new world of shitty Marvel films. I always hear this shit from dudes who like really bad films. It's all subjective man. I hear this from a lot of bad writers too.

It just isn't true at all. The writing is objectively more qualified and cohesive in Braveheart. You just have to look at the script to see that. It's like saying after looking at two scripts an English major can't objectively pick out the higher-quality writing with the better characters. Sure, some things are too close to call. This is not the case here. Apocalypto is a joke when it comes to cohesive storytelling. And you can objectively get into the writing to produce the reasons why.

The acting is definitely more period specific in Braveheart, and at least gives more a semblance of being correct. Again more qualified and only from direct observation of reality. I know quite a bit about both periods, and Apocalypto always rubs me the wrong way. It's a decent film, but it has nothing on Braveheart.

There are so many weird ass cheesy scenes in the newer film like the baby underwater lol. Those things might be subjectively bad or whatever depending on awful taste. But looking at these scenes I am not influenced by emotion or personal feelings. I can critique the historical accuracy in both films. Apocalypto is much worse in this regard, even though Braveheart is more criticized. That's because it won 20x the awards that Apocalypto won. No one in their right mind says that Apocalypto is the better film without having to produce a lot of evidence to support that insane claim.

I really dislike those who use subjective arguments to produce fallacies to make sure everyone knows every single film is as good as another film. This is basically the ultra-left trying to marginalize everything. Socialism at its best. Don't worry honey, your cave man art is subjectively just as good as Rembrandt! NOT. Again, to separate a cave man painting from Rembrandt there are specific, objective qualities we can measure.

Yeah, it's true. You might subjectively prefer the cave man painting. That doesn't make it objectively more qualified though. It's still acave man painting. The strokes are not as careful, nuanced, or complex. The talent of the artist is obviously, objectively, less qualified. The objective qualities of the paint and materials are worse. The picture is incoherent.

Making subjectivity absolute is, inherently, as I said, a fallacy because you are saying there are no actual characteristics of the film that can be graded without emotion or personal feelings. Sure bro, if you live in only your mind.

There are many objective levels you can rate film on. Direction, editing, acting, sound design, score... I don't think you honestly know what the two words mean. There are objective merits to all of these things that can be carefully compared with empirical evidence.

For instance, you can compare the camera used, the film, the color, the grain, the length of scenes, the edits, the costumes of the actors, the lines of the script, the locations, the historical accuracy, the makeup, et cetera.

These are all objective qualities I noticed when viewing film.

Everything Braveheart does on an objective level from acting, directing, editing, cinematography, et cetera, all seem more accomplished and focused when produced under the lens of empirical comparisons based on the history of film. Of course this is not an absolute statement. Some parts of Apocalypto seem well produced, acted, and directed. But on examination it just falls apart as an entire film because of the writing. And you can definitely pinpoint where the writing has holes, where the historical details get lost, and why there is less emotion produced in the film as a whole. Its characters simply are less believable in the time period they are trying portray.

I didn't cry or even begin to have emotions on Apocalypto lol. Not the same with Braveheart, which is still an emotional film. Now subjectively, you might be a crying baby with Apocalypto, but most people would think you are weird because objectively the writing is stiff and unrealistic to a very high degree. Just because you cry at a porno does not make the porno subjectively a better film than Braveheart.

You can objectively note as I said historical accuracy. Well, at this point Braveheart takes a lot of liberties, but Apocalypto doesn't even try to maintain the course. It's not even remotely historical in any context.

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Old 01-28-2020, 06:44 PM   #791
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I picked this up with Gladiator and both films are just as enjoyable to me today as they were when I saw them years ago...if not more so.

They hold up.

In my opinion, they are in the top tier of films made from 1990-now. They have that epic quality that just doesn't happen often. They feel grand like the old Ben-Hur and Ten Commandments pics.

They also look fantastic on UHD. Highly recommended.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:09 PM   #793
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Apocalypto is freaking EPIC. Probably my most prized Blu Ray now that's it out of print.. Looks amazing on an OLED upscale.

Would pay big bucks for that on 4k.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:33 PM   #794
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The futility of natives hacking at each other in the face of much more powerful external forces. Braveheart and Apocalypto aren't different enough to argue about.

Although given a choice, I would usually prefer to watch Apocalypto lol
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Apocalypto is dope, that's an objective fact.
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You have way too much spare time.
I can type a mile a minute. It's really not that bad, and I will defend points that need to be defended. Like that one. Huge pet peeve of mine when people bring out the "everything is subjective" fallacy. I will defend my argument time and time again so buckle up. You had time enough to reply to me. Says a lot.

I went to a theater expecting greatness for Apocalypto. I was bored to death half the time, and it just got over the top too much of the time. Braveheart has a... heart, and it has superior actors and filmmakers behind it IMHO.
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Apocalypto is terrific.
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Apocalypto is terrific.
i'd love to see it in UHD...
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Ditto, and yes fantastic movie!
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