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Old 08-07-2007, 03:51 AM   #1
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So, the consumer camcorders out on the market today say recording in 1080i. Why doesn't Sony offer a model to record in 1080p? Wouldn't that make sense in this day and age of 1080p BD and TVs?
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:02 AM   #2
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yeah i dont know why they didnt.


lol,i have a question,since hd is the new era...you think people will bent far enough to have there brand new HD camcorder recording movies at IMAX in hd?.

would be pretty funny to hear...



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Old 08-07-2007, 04:04 AM   #3
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yeah i dont know why they didnt.


lol,i have a question,since hd is the new era...you think people will bent far enough to have there brand new HD camcorder recording movies at IMAX in hd?.

would be pretty funny to hear...
Well, sure, they are recording movies now with their crappy MiniDV and DVD camcorders...better end result product for their customers by using HD to film new movies...
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:10 AM   #4
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1080p takes a much faster scanrate on the CCD, faster more expensive parts all around by quite a bit.
With 1080i, it only has to scan 540 lines at once. 1080p would be all 1080
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1080p takes a much faster scanrate on the CCD, faster more expensive parts all around by quite a bit.
With 1080i, it only has to scan 540 lines at once. 1080p would be all 1080
No, it's not actually any faster, you just need a progressive mode. A plain old everyday 1080i camcorder scans 540 lines twice in 1/30th of a second... two 1/60th-second fields making the one 1/30th second frame (NTSC, and obviously, I'm rounding up from 29.97fps).

In 1080/30p, I'm scanning at exactly the same rate, just scanning both fields together, rather than interleaving them. In 1080/24p, I'm actually scanning slower. Neither of these is a big deal, chip-wise, particularly if you're using a CMOS sensor, which is inherently a parallel device (rather than CCDs, which are serial in nature). This is why folks like Canon are including real 30p and 24p modes in most of their new HD camcorders.

There's still an issue if you're recording to tape (or perhaps using a chip designed for tape, even on an HDD or Flash based system)... there's the tendency to ensure that HDV stays HDV just as they did with DV staying DV. So a 24p shoot is pulled down to 30p, then sent over as interlaced... a 30p shoot is also stored as if it were interlaced. And both of these would be limited to 1440x1080 on tape. But that IS real 24p, not the fakey stuff as on my Sony AVR-H1. And it's really no big deal to add, hardware-wise.

HDD, Flash, and of course Blu-Ray systems are going to be more interesting than tape in this, because they can go beyond 25Mb/s, and have no need to format into as-if interlace, they can store as straight progressive (and, naturally, give your NLE software one more thing to not quite understand, but this, too, shall pass). Now, who's actually will support 1920x1080... well, that's was the CE companies are calling "Full HD", and lots of folks are talking about it. So I'll bet it's getting in there, for under a grand these days.

I'm so thinking of getting a flash-based camcorder this year, to augment my two HDV units.
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1080i is more than perfect for now....Why on earth with a basic consumer need to brake their back (and wallet) in finding a good 1080p camera. We're doing home movies here. I know some people want that full quality, but if it means that much to you, than just wait. These cameras get cheap VERY fast.

When I bought my hdr-sr1, it was $1500. It recorded 1080i and 5.1 audio to a 30 gb hdd. 1 year laster, Sony releases the hdr-sr12 (something like that) and its $300 cheaper, and comes with more features, along with a 120 gb hdd.

That's the sad truth about technology, the newest thing becomes obsolete the next day.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:11 AM   #7
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they'll ask

"Ur Just Getting that on on Blu Ray?"

they'll ask you that question and we'll have to say

"Yeah,but no special features,bare bones Movie and menu,you?"

them: "Hahah!,when will they ever add that on another Disk!,idiots!..of even on the same movie since its the new 50GB!"
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Hitachi has just announced the first Blu-ray video camera that can record directly to Blu-ray and will also be full 1080p. One will be a Blu-ray only the other will be a Blu-ray and HDD combo. Should be pretty cool. Not due until September or October, I would think Sony can't be too far behind, although they seem pretty committed to AVCHD units at the moment. I have one and it is awesome.
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But those are Mini-BluRay recordables. How will someone like myself with a slot loading computer [iMac] be able to play them? Not at all, that is the problem with that camcorder.
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So, the consumer camcorders out on the market today say recording in 1080i. Why doesn't Sony offer a model to record in 1080p? Wouldn't that make sense in this day and age of 1080p BD and TVs?
I have a 1080p Sony Camcorder. I will check the part number and re-post tommorrow.
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Old 12-29-2007, 04:52 PM   #11
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I have a 1080p Sony Camcorder. I will check the part number and re-post tommorrow.
I'd like to see this too.. Sony's site doesn't list anything of the kind. They barely just came out with 1080i HD Camcorders?? I could be wrong on the commercial end but I doubt the consumer hand held end.

I did find some $3500+ way up there pro cameras that can do 1080p but I assume we are all referring to consumer hand held cams $1500 or less.

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http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=5495

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